Another problem for Boeing

Going by whats in that article id say its a bad thing there wasn't a crew onboard.

Bad timing they were inbetween satellite handovers so couldn't make any quick changes.
 
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Good job there wasn't a crew on board.

It's only in low earth orbit, so it doesn't take much fuel to return. This was an expensive error since launches cost a fair amount, but not a particularly risky one.
 
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Assuming the other systems work.
For the cause of the problem that showed up:
This isn't Boeing very well...
Space travel is extremely dangerous, the tricky part is managing and mitigating the risks.
 
Just looking at the Air Alaska incident and early reports saying that critical bolts might have be missing.
 
What troubles me most about this incident (assuming the reports are correct) is that the airline had prior warning of possible pressurisation problems to the extent that they did not use the plane on over-sea routes in case it needed to land urgently!

If lives had been lost, I would imagine the FAA would have thrown the book at them and the litigation in the US courts could have caused bankruptcy.
 
Its a tricky one regarding the previous warnings. Each time they switched to a backup system and that didn't report any issues. Alaska Airlines would have followed maintenance procedures set by Boeing. Reports say the plane was waiting for a check on the light but backup system didn't have any issues so flight restrictions was just a caution.

Obviously far too early to say what happened but the fuselage was made by Spirit Aerosystem who are huge player in the industry and also supply fuselages sections for Airbus. Spirit are currently under investigation for falsifying quality control reports. Anyway Spirit have said that Boeing requested the door plug not be fitted by them so Boeing have greater access during final assembly and Boeing are responsible for fitting the plug. The plug itself is held in place by a load of brackets like battery compartment of a remote. These allow the plug to be removed by lifting it, to stop it lifting there are 4 bolts and NTSB can't find any trace of these bolts that stop it lifting. They could have gone missing when the plug blew out or were never there.
 
A former US congressman - who led an extensive investigation into previous issues with Boeing planes - has accused the company of relying on "crappy stuff" from its subcontractor after the 737 MAX 9 mid-air blowout.

Peter DeFazio, who chaired the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee until 2022, said the focus needs to turn to Spirit AeroSystems, which built the door plug that blew out of the Alaska Airlines plane after it took off on 5 January.


Mr DeFazio said on Tuesday that Boeing has been "happy with the crappy stuff from Spirit because it's cheap".

He previously led an investigation into Boeing after all of its MAX passenger jets were grounded in March 2019 for 20 months following two crashes in Ethiopia and Indonesia which killed 346 people between them.

 
Of course Musk feels it is all the fault of Boeing for hiring people with low IQ due to affirmative action

 
Not in that tweet but it is impliued in his other tweets


Reading that X thread, as one poster points out
"Folks just say anything on here.
The DEI incentive is clearly listed as an additional component of the incentive plan, not a replacement of the company's commitment to safety and quality"
 
Of course there is only one rival or competitor to Boeing, and in my opinion, it proves yet again that AirBus is another example of how Europe working together can rival anyone, or anything, and in many instances, be world leaders.
 
Of course there is only one rival or competitor to Boeing, and in my opinion, it proves yet again that AirBus is another example of how Europe working together can rival anyone, or anything, and in many instances, be world leaders.
Airbus which is pretty much a French company has its own issues including failed engines, software glitches and quality control on paint. They have lost a couple of big orders due to these.
 
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Airbus which is pretty much a French company has its own issues including failed engines, software glitches and quality control on paint. They have lost a couple of big orders due to these.





Plenty of other example which mainly through luck didn't results in big accidents
 
The data shows flights are safer and social media and improved reporting means incidents are more likely to make headlines when they do happen. Going back a bit remember the issues with Comet, at the time they weren't widely reported.

Its safe enough that I don't have an issue flying half a dozen times a year. I was flying weekly at one point, the only mechanical issue was a burst tyre on landing many years ago and even that I didn't know about until we reached the gate and the pilot announced it as emergency vehicles came to the plane.
 
Perhaps it's time to remind any nervous flyers reading this thread that you're far more likely to die in a car crash on the way to the airport than to die in a plane crash. :lesson:
 
Perhaps it's time to remind any nervous flyers reading this thread that you're far more likely to die in a car crash on the way to the airport than to die in a plane crash. :lesson:
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oneman ... wrote "Airbus which is pretty much a French company has its own issues including failed engines, software glitches and quality control on paint. They have lost a couple of big orders due to these"

AirBus has broken records in 2023 for the number of Jets ordered ( 2100 ), and is beating Boeing by miles. AirBus UK emplys over 10,000 people. Its major manufacturing bases are in the UK, Germany, Spain and France.
 
Not to mention airbus don't make engines
 
11 January — FAA opens formal investigation into Boeing quality
The Federal Aviation Administration notified Boeing today that it has opened an investigation “to determine if Boeing failed to ensure completed products conformed to its approved design and were in a condition for safe operation in compliance with FAA regulations.”

In its letter notifying Boeing of the investigation, the FAA notes that the circumstances of the door plug departing the Alaska Airlines aircraft and the subsequent findings during pre-inspection work on other 737-9s may “indicate that Boeing may have failed to ensure its completed products conformed to its approved design and were in a condition for safe operation in accordance with quality system inspection and test procedures.”
Oh dear. Boeing is in even deeper trouble now!
 

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