stevelup
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Out of interest, what would it cost for the best currently available, at say 87” to be installed domestically?
I'll get a quote just for amusement. It will, for sure, wear out my zero key when typing the answer.
Out of interest, what would it cost for the best currently available, at say 87” to be installed domestically?
10,000 nits is ridiculous.
According to Google, The Sun is only 5,000
10,000 nits is ridiculous.
According to Google, The Sun is only 5,000
10,000 nits is ridiculous.
According to Google, The Sun is only 5,000
WOled as we see and know is great but not what would I call a robust tech with so many unresolved issues around imperfect panels,decay of the organic compound over time and risk of image retention and screen burn.It will never ever be created perfect at consumer prices.Not really built to last either!
Qled and Micro led can be build for stress free use and incredibly durable and achieve Oled levels of blacks - it will eventually dominate over WOled for its sheer robustness.
Oled tech is still still costly with very large size panels.The organic nature of Oled is at the heart of its limitation when compare with what micro LED can be made to be - from a clean slate.
With Oled you can only scientifically harness so much of its nature attributes and peel away its flaws.I mean a 4000 nit max Oled screen can never be a doable or practical device in the consumer market.
With Micro LED or Qled no problem!
On a business side - TV manufacturers been tied to just one Oled maker is also not good like with FB social media domination.
Samsung does not like been dependent and we have seen that with it disdain for HDR Dolby Vision and also refuse to buy Woled.So Micro LED is also a business weapon to curb what would be complete Oled domination.
I think you missed half a dozen zeros off it there. For example this wikipedia article says it's 1,600,000,000 nits which seems like more believable value.
You can't compare LG to FB as FB have done lot's of unethical stuff stealing personal information selling it on etc. LG at least let's other companies buy their OLED tv panels to try and grow OLED television sector. They aren't keeping all the panels for themselves which would be them trying to dominate the OLED tv market. LG took a chance spending billions buying Kodak's OLED patents and building the manufacturing plants so fair play to them. Plus rival companies can make their own OLED panels if they don't want to get them from LG.WOled as we see and know is great but not what would I call a robust tech with so many unresolved issues around imperfect panels,decay of the organic compound over time and risk of image retention and screen burn.It will never ever be created perfect at consumer prices.Not really built to last either!
Qled and Micro led can be build for stress free use and incredibly durable and achieve Oled levels of blacks - it will eventually dominate over WOled for its sheer robustness.
Oled tech is still still costly with very large size panels.The organic nature of Oled is at the heart of its limitation when compare with what micro LED can be made to be - from a clean slate.
With Oled you can only scientifically harness so much of its nature attributes and peel away its flaws.I mean a 4000 nit max Oled screen can never be a doable or practical device in the consumer market.
With Micro LED or Qled no problem!
On a business side - TV manufacturers been tied to just one Oled maker is also not good like with FB social media domination.
Samsung does not like been dependent and we have seen that with it disdain for HDR Dolby Vision and also refuse to buy Woled.So Micro LED is also a business weapon to curb what would be complete Oled domination.
The main question to me is - do we have any realistic timescales for when micro-LED will be available for consumer TVs at sizes such as 55"/65"?
A while ago I met someone from a TV research company and he said that such sets were still a few years away.
I do wonder if companies such as Samsung want to make it seem like consumer micro LED is just around the corner to discourage people from buying OLED sets now.
Samsung's push for 8k must also make the job harder for them as the pixels in an 8k set are only 1/4 the size of those in a 4k set.
Much is made of the difficulty of producing micro LEDs as each micro-LED has to be the size of a sub pixel. On a 4k 65" set each pixel has a total available area of 0.35mm x 0.35mm - equivalent to a pixel pitch of 72 per inch. In that area there must be at least 3 sub-pixels.
LG already have individual LEDs this small for their OLED TVs. (and smaller for 55" sets.) The difference is that OLEDs use organic (carbon based) emitters in their LEDs. Why are non-organic LEDs much harder to build at this size than organic LEDs?
You could also imagine a lounge where the entire wall was a Micro LED screen, and you could use certain parts for information like the news, weather or a social media feed, while also watching your favourite TV show on another part of the screen. You could perhaps save the entire screen for watching the big match or a blockbuster movie.
That'll teach me to believe the internet
10k is still crazy though, my oled peaks at about 800 and it's dazzling with some content.
The main question to me is - do we have any realistic timescales for when micro-LED will be available for consumer TVs at sizes such as 55"/65"?
A while ago I met someone from a TV research company and he said that such sets were still a few years away.
I do wonder if companies such as Samsung want to make it seem like consumer micro LED is just around the corner to discourage people from buying OLED sets now.
Yeah, and naming their old fashioned LED backlit LCD TVs as QLED to con people into thinking it's a new technology. I was actually having a conversation with a friend a while back who at one point said ".... and then you have Samsung's QLED, their version of OLED" and who was actually very surprised when I "enlightened" him with the facts.Yeah, this is undoubtedly just a publicity stunt to take attention away from OLED, like all the other things Samsung are doing like offering screen burn warranties.
It's no sidestep as the organic OLED panels can barely get over 1000nits. 4K blu ray's are mastered from 1000nits (some lower) to 10'000nits, an OLED tv probably won't ever even with advancements in the technology be able to reach 4000nits let along 10'000nits.I get that Micro LED is the obvious way forward (and look forward to it!) and that OLED has it's limitations, but I don't understand in what way OLED is not basically also just micro-sized LEDs? Isn't this more of a sideways step (removing the 'organic' element) from already micro-sized LEDs?
This is how I understand it. OLED has 4 organic LED sub-pixels per pixel - and these are essentially already "micro"-LEDs - but using an organic compound as their light emitter rather than a non-organic one.I get that Micro LED is the obvious way forward (and look forward to it!) and that OLED has it's limitations, but I don't understand in what way OLED is not basically also just micro-sized LEDs? Isn't this more of a sideways step (removing the 'organic' element) from already micro-sized LEDs?
Exactly. A QD layer can change the frequency (i.e. colour) of light but it cannot control brightness. As the brightness of each sub-pixel must be controlled independently, each sub-pixel in any emissive technology must have its own independent light source.You've lost me a little QD doesn't reduce the LED count at all.
A 4k display will need 24.8M pixels. Whether that's 8.3M red, 8.3M green, 8.3M blue pixels, or 24.8M single colour ones with a QD layer, it's still the same number of LEDs.
In that case it would be worth having a wall of micro LED TV on one side of the living room and a wall of solar panels on the opposite wall to help with the leccy bill.10,000 nits is ridiculous.
According to Google, The Sun is only 5,000
Am I allowed to ask about motion handling?
We lost the best of that when plasma went belly up, and I'd much rather have OLED with plasma-esque motion handling than I would OLED with LCD-esque brightness, though both together would be welcome.