Answered calibrating speakers

The best Atmos setup would be one that utilises up to 34 speakers in total in a 24.1.10 configuration. With this in mind then your assumption would be to dismiss any setup with fewer than 10 Atmos speakers so you'd be looking at spendin close to £100K if wanting to have such a setup, not the mention that you'd also need a room large enough to accomodate such a configuration.

Maybe post back to wherever you are getting the idea that you need or musy have 4 Atmos speakers and suggest to them that they actually need 10 and see if they still support the ideal that the only setups worth fascilitating are those that correspond with what equipment they have at their disposal.

You only need a minimium of a 5.1.2 setup to enable you to experience the additional immersion and presence associated with Atmos. Adding just 2 Atmos speakers will introduce more immersion than if not using them so you do not need 4 (or more) Atmos speakers to experience Atmos. Ypu may get an even better immersive experience if using more Atmos speakers and back surrounds, but this is different to suggesting that it isn't worth bothing with if only able to add 2 Atmos speakers or if unable to have more than a 5.1.2 setup.
 
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ok...

2 atmos enabled speakers

on the rear wall of the shower

facing the bathroom at a 45 degree angle ...

got it !!!

:clap: :hiya: :thumbsup: :hiya: :clap:


thanx for ALL the info ...
and

All the Patience
 
hey Dante ...

if you happen to see this

ordered the Jamos S8 ATM ... and they just got here

but , that speaker is designed for integration w / a Jamo tower :facepalm:

uggggh ,,,

other than returning for a different speaker ...
any suggestions ?
 
never mind o_O:eek:o_O

no efficient way to make them work ....sending back and will go w / the Elac


thanx
 
followed the advice ( Dante ) the Elac speakers in place ...
thanx
also, went back to the Audyssey setup ... but now ask
if by going into the manual setup, to perhaps tweak the upfiring atmos, to my ear, does this manipulate the dB levels of the other configurations ?
though i do recall seeing that info previously (dB levels ) can't seem to get to it now :eek:

thanx
 
followed the advice ( Dante ) the Elac speakers in place ...
thanx
also, went back to the Audyssey setup ... but now ask
if by going into the manual setup, to perhaps tweak the upfiring atmos, to my ear, does this manipulate the dB levels of the other configurations ?
though i do recall seeing that info previously (dB levels ) can't seem to get to it now :eek:

thanx

THere shouldn't be any technical reason to adjust the levels associated with the upfiring speakers but many suggest increasing them by 1 or 2 db to make the effects they portray more noticable. I'd also advise that you ensure that their speaker size is set to SMALL and than you give them a relatively large crossover in the region of 150Hz. Low frequencies don't reflect off of walls or ceilings so you'd not want to direct these at your ceiling.
 
THANX .... !

i guess that's a drawback of an auto feature..ie; audyssey,
not able to recognize the subtleties you refer to here ....

i see too, audyssey's #'s are well below what the speaker manufacturer had as recommendations , in the paperwork that came with them ....
is that a product of the room acoustics ?
 
THANX .... !

i guess that's a drawback of an auto feature..ie; audyssey,
not able to recognize the subtleties you refer to here ....

i see too, audyssey's #'s are well below what the speaker manufacturer had as recommendations , in the paperwork that came with them ....
is that a product of the room acoustics ?

The speaker manufacturer quote specifications they attained while testing their products under perfect conditions, more often than not while in an acoustically treated room that isn't likely to influence the results. Audyssey isn't that far off its appraisal of the roll off in comparison to what most manufacyirers claim. You'd have to list the specific speakers and the conflicting results you are getting if you want me to comment on them.

Audyssey doesn't do bass management anyway and it would be the AV receiver's manufacturer implimenting this aspect of the setup. Irrespective of the AV receiver being used, it is generally advised to always override the speaker sizes and crossover setting post calibration. The advice to set speakers as being small with a crossover no lower than 80Hz irrespective of the physical size of the speakers or their rated frequency handling mainly originates from THX. Despite Audyssey not actually being responsible for the bass management, they do endorse the advise of THX mainly due to the fact that the mainstay of its founders originate from THX.

Even if your speakers are physically large and are rated with lower frequency handling abilities, always designate them as being SMALL and use a crossover no lower than 80Hz. There's no real benefit assocuiated with having them as LARGE and proven benefits associated with using the SMALL configuration. You are just causing the AV receiver's own amplification to work harder than it needs to if insiting your speakers should be set as being LARGE.

AV Receiver Bass Management Basics – Settings Made Simple

Setting ALL speakers as being SMALL is the accepted way of doing things in relation to home theatre setups. It is actually what your local movie theatre will be doing so why would not adopting it within a home setup be appropriate?
 
is there a significant impact on the "music" side of things ?
meaning ; much of the discussion is regarding the optimal sound while viewing a movie
the crossovers / speaker size /dB levels ...?!?
with just music playing.... is it impactful from that perspective ?
or
does the system need to be a significant upgrade, and
the listener's ear more "tuned" to hear the differences ?

thanx for the previous link !
 
There's only an impact on music if your not human. THe frequencies in question are not localised by the human auditory sytem so whether they are output via the sub or via the speakers is neither here nor there. THe fact of the matter is that you could actually be improving upon the performance of the passive speakers by awarding the amplifiers driving them more headroom relative to the midrange and upper frequencies that they are portraying. By redirecting the lower frequencies to the sub you thus increase the level of power that can be allocated to driving the passive speakers before the signal becomes distorted. THe lower frequencies are much harder to amplify and sap the speakers of power that could be better used to portray the higher frequencies.

Speaker levels are the same irrespective of whether designating the speakers as large or small. Volume doesn't increase or decrease dependant upon which option is used.

Your speakers are not full range anyway. Even large floorstanders are seldom full range unless they cost you a small fortune and if they are inordinately large? You'd need to spend in excess of £20K to buy a pair of true full range speakers and they'd each need a lower frequency drive unit that is at least 15" on diameter to be able to portray full range audio. THis would also need a very large room in which to accomodate them in.

If you've a pair of good stereo speakers that have a healthy 35 to 40Hz roll off (note that full range is 20 to 20,000Hz) then you could simply engage a receiver's pure direct mode whilst listening to music. This would bypass the bass management and treat the speakers as though they are LARGE full range speakers.. Some models such as those with Audyssey MtiEQ XT32 room EQ correction also allow you to have a seperate different bass management configuration for use in association with stereo 2 channel sources. THis can be configured to set the stereo speakers to LARGE wgen listening in stereo.
 
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is there a significant impact on the "music" side of things ?
meaning ; much of the discussion is regarding the optimal sound while viewing a movie
the crossovers / speaker size /dB levels ...?!?
with just music playing.... is it impactful from that perspective ?
or
does the system need to be a significant upgrade, and
the listener's ear more "tuned" to hear the differences ?

thanx for the previous link !
It depends on how you want to listen to your music. If you like a lot of bass then leaving the receiver in stereo mode with the bass management in place will send all that bass below 80hz to the sub. If you want to have all speakers involved then the same will happen.

You may want to listen to music without involving the sub, if you think your speakers can go deep enough, then employing the direct function is the way to go. The direct mode will over ride the bass management and treat the speakers are being full range and send all the signal to them. This is probably the best way to listen to stereo music with a receiver.
 

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