Promoted Can a consumer TV ever match a professional colour grading monitor? You are invited to an event to find out!

Philips TV PQ

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It’s a question often asked: ‘That’s a great review of a top TV but how does it compare to a professional studio colour grading monitor?’
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Well, to answer, Philips TV has partnered with Dolby Laboratories and Bowers & Wilkins to give 30 lucky AV Forums readers the chance to discover for themselves, first-hand.

The exclusive event will be a celebration of the best in picture and sound quality and will be held on the evening of Tuesday 19th November at the Dolby Europe HQ in Soho Square London W1D.

AV Forum’s readers will be invited to witness the work of the Dolby professional colour grading team live, within the colour grading suite and including a direct comparison between the bespoke Dolby reference monitor and a 2019 Philips OLED consumer TV.

Philips TV’s Global PQ guru Danny Tack will be on hand once again and will demonstrate the power of the new 3rd Gen P5 processor via the excellent new 65” OLED+984. Danny’s session will include a back-to-back comparison between the best 2019 4K and 8K TVs

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The Dolby experts will also be on hand to discuss HDR and how to achieve the best results in content creation with Dolby Vision technology. While experts from legendary audio specialists Bowers & Wilkins will also be demonstrating the OLED+984’s unique sound system and will give an insight in to the pioneering engineering development behind the system’s creation.

We've got a maximum 30 places set aside for AV Forums readers on a first-come-first-served basis. Attendees will need to be able to get to Dolby, Soho Square for 18:15 on the night of Tuesday 19th November.

Food and refreshments will be provided.

To be in with a chance of attending the event and witnessing the new state-of-the-art Philips TV, please send an email to: [email protected], with the title Philips & Dolby, giving your full name plus detail of your current TV size and model and your favourite Dolby Vision encoded movie.

One lucky visitor to the forthcoming Philips and Dolby event will win a new 65”OLED 854 TV worth £2299
The 854 features the latest Philips 3rd Gen P5 processing engine to give excellent picture quality for both HDR & SDR sources. The OLED854 is also rare in offering both HDR10+ and Dolby Vision compatibility while three sided Ambilight technology creates a more immersive viewing experience.

We have one set to give away and one lucky reader from the 30 attendees at the Philips and Dolby event will be able to claim their prize on the night.


T&C’s
Places are limited to 30 and will be offered on a ‘first come, first served basis’ to applicants emailing to: [email protected] before 17:00 hrs on Thursday November 15th.
Attendees, will be invited to attend the event at Soho Square on Tuesday 19th November. No alternative dates or venues will be available.
Attendance at the event is offered FOC by TP Vision & Dolby Europe and has no financial value. A cash alternative will not be offered to people who are offered a place but who are unavailable to attend on the 19th.

TP Vision and Dolby Laboratories retain the right to cancel the event or refuse entry without offering compensation.
 
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golden phoenix

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I'm sure it will be a great event, but these never seen to happen up North 😠
 

GadgetObsessed

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I have been to a Philips demo before and can thoroughly recommend them to anyone who may be interested.

They are extremely well run events and are a great opportunity to see some new sets that have been properly set up and to meet people from the TV industry and other AVForum members too.
 

jpr141

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I see the 984 is the one you'll use.

I know the all the 2019 Philips OLEDs have the same processor. But picture wise is say the 804 really the same as the 984 picture wise?
 

GadgetObsessed

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Just got my invitation :) Who else will be attending?
 

buzz_lightclick

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@big boss i thought this might interest you since you are considering buying a Philips OLED tv?
 

Cameron583

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Blooming heck, a free event and people still complain...

unfortunately not in London on the 19th but looks like a great day out!
 

Phil Hinton

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The event is one of the very few opportunities for members of the public, like AVForums members, to get access and see the grading suites of Dolby Labs. You will get to see Dolby Vision as it is created and how it is supposed to look on a consumer TV and next to a Dolby Pulsar monitor. Dolby is based in London and that is why the event is being held there. However, for this very rare opportunity, I'm sure it would be worth travelling in to take part if you're interested in this type of thing. I'm also really interested in what AVForums members will make of seeing behind the scenes & how HDR content is made and graded and will be making a video of the evening with interviews.
 
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GadgetObsessed

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The event is one of the very few opportunities for members of the public, like AVForums members, to get access and see the grading suites of Dolby Labs. You will get to see Dolby Vision as it is created and how it is supposed to look on a consumer TV and next to a Dolby Pulsar monitor. Dolby is based in London and that is why the event is being held there. However, for this very rare opportunity, I'm sure it would be worth travelling in to take part if you're interested in this type of thing. I'm also really interested in what AVForums members will make of seeing behind the scenes & how HDR content is made and graded and will be making a video of the evening with interviews.
Thanks Phil - that sounds really interesting - especially as I have very little idea of how a colourist goes about doing the grading.

I found this interesting video which shows someone grading a film:

I assume that adding HDR introduces a number of additional elements for the colourist to manage.
 

big boss

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xxGBHxx

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Could you not have done the event in the midlands at least that's equal for everyone to travel.
Problem is, physical location isn't relevant. It may be geographically central but it's absolutely not transport or population central at least as far as public transport or the major road network is concerned. The way the train system works is that all mainlines go to London so very often unless you happen to be on the mainline to the midlands it means going into London first to come back out. Same with the roads to a lesser extent. Of course you can go cross country and avoid the motorways but it's still usually quicker to hop on a motorway and get to London than it is to go to some other places.

Also from a numbers perspective London and the SE are very close to 1/3 of the UK's population whereas the midlands only about 1/5-1/4. So while, of course, it means some (NE and NW of England) have to travel further to get into London it will still work out that fewer people are travelling and those journeys will be easier and probably shorter.

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r21442

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And you wonder why the Scots are heading for independence? :clown:
 

big boss

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And you wonder why the Scots are heading for independence? :clown:
So that manufacturers would arrange such events in Scotland? 🤔
 

GadgetObsessed

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GadgetObsessed

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Problem is, physical location isn't relevant. It may be geographically central but it's absolutely not transport or population central at least as far as public transport or the major road network...
True but I think a more important point in this case is that Dolby only have 4 screening rooms in the world. One in London, one in New York and two in LA.

AVForum members are lucky to be invited to this exclusive venue - especially as we will be seeing one of the Dolby Professional reference monitors. Those things probably cost tens of thousands of pounds. (And I bet you don't even get a Netflix subscription thrown in. :))
 

Toon Army

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Any chance of a video of the presentation being available afterwards?
 

Zoea

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I have just been awarded a place! I'm going to love geeking out to this. I just hope that it doesn't make me go out and spend N thousand pounds immediately afterwards.

Well, for now.
 

Goldorak

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I will be there too :clap:
I also asked if possible to compare hdr10 vs hdr10+ vs Dolby. I believe the Philips can handle them all...you don’t ask you don’t’ get
 

richardsim7

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Philips TV PQ

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How to make the: ‘best-sounding 4K OLED TV on the market’
Bowers & Wilkins reveals the audio engineering behind the Philips OLED+984


Unveiled at IFA in September, Philip’ flagship OLED+984 was voted ‘Best of Show’ TV in Berlin, partly due to its superb picture quality and outstanding European design but also thanks to its bespoke Bowers & Wilkins sound system featuring many of the proprietary technologies found in the company’s iconic home speaker range.

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The most visually obvious development for the new set was – unlike with the partnership’s first TV, the OLED+903 - the sound system no longer needed to be integrated into the existing cabinet of the set.

The latest project effectively gave the Bowers & Wilkins’ engineers a clean slate and they responded by creating a much larger external mounted system but one that was still integrated into the electronics of the set – a similar approach was taken with OLED+934 sister set.

A larger external speaker enclosure allowed for both more and larger drivers as well as isolating any vibration from the set’s screen and electronics – allowing the system to be driven much harder.

Engineering principals

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Bowers & Wilkins follows the same thorough engineering principles for all the products it designs. The company’s engineering philosophy is most readily apparent in the iconic 800 D3 model – often described as the World’s best loudspeaker.

Engineering principles include developing all technologies in-house and applying a continual ‘trickle’ down of core solutions from flagship products to more affordable ranges over time

For example, all drivers are designed and manufactured in-house, often featuring unique processes and materials - such as diamond and continuum - and are usually tailored or bespoke for each application in which they are used.

The drivers are mounted in dedicated, stiff and inert enclosures, with both the enclosure and the driver often being decoupled from the main cabinet of the product. The acoustically undesirable impact of any vibration is therefore minimised, and all generated energy is correctly and efficiently directed into making accurate sound.

Exactly the same proven acoustic principles have been applied to the audiophile-quality sound system in the OLED+984.

The OLED+984 features a 3.0 system divided into three separate enclosures comprising dedicated left, centre and right-channels plus a classic Bowers & Wilkins ‘tweeter-on-top’ enclosure.

Each mid-bass enclosure is constructed from thick-wall-section glass-fibre-reinforced ABS, critically braced with internal rib sections to control unwanted resonance. The 100mm (4in) mid/bass drive units in each enclosure are derived from the Bowers & Wilkins M1 loudspeaker, with anti-resonance plugs fitted to ensure a cleaner output.

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The left-hand and right-hand enclosures have baffle-mounted 19mm titanium dome tweeters positioned to the extreme ends of each assembly to minimise cabinet diffraction as far as is possible and also deliver a wide, immersive soundstage. The tweeters are also decoupled inside the housing to further improve that behaviour.

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The centre enclosure is different in that it has no internal tweeter: instead, this assembly is mounted to the main upright of the TV in its ‘tweeter-on-top’ housing.

Tweeter-on-top is a proven Bowers & Wilkins technology that delivers more resolution by reducing the unwanted acoustic impact of a loudspeaker cabinet.

The 19mm titanium dome tweeter is mounted in a solid metal housing for superior stiffness and utilises a variation of the Bowers & Wilkins protective grille design originally introduced for the 800 Series Diamond.

The complete HF assembly is mechanically decoupled from its housing to ensure cleaner sound and the crossover has been optimised with a high-quality 600 Series-level capacitor to ensure the cleanest possible signal path while neodymium magnets offer a more linear behaviour.

The overall aim was to create a large, spacious soundstage that tracks dialogue accurately to the centre of the screen while providing a low-distortion, room-filling sound.

In our opinion, there has never been a TV like the OLED+ 984.We believe it is the first TV to offer genuine audiophile quality sound.

Some of you will be able to decide for yourselves at the Philips TV/AVForums event.
 

GadgetObsessed

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How to make the: ‘best-sounding 4K OLED TV on the market’
Bowers & Wilkins reveals the audio engineering behind the Philips OLED+984
Thanks for this - I am really looking forward to seeing and hearing this TV.

More details of this TV can be forund here:

It is also worth mentioning that the 984 also has a sub-woofer output - so can directly support 3.1 sound.

One question - is it possible to add a pair of speakers to the OLED+984 to use as rears for a 5.1 system?
 

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