Casino Royale 4K Blu-ray Review & Comments

Craig's one great Bond film, well I liked Skyfall, so raspberries to the haters.

But this is totally ruined by the card game's
CLANG CLANG, this is his "tell"
that was done as poorly as I've ever seen.
 
Lazenby is easily the worst Bond and I have never understood the recent love for On Her Majesty's Skiing Service!
I'm not a big fan of the Lazenby Bond, but.....Diana Rigg 😍
And the popular story of her always eating Garlic before any Love Scene with him (Blown up it seems from a chance remark she made) was great, true or not :)
But the Story itself, with Bond played by Connery would, have been great to see.
 
CR is one of my fave action flicks. I grew to hate Bond's stupid cheese and this brought it right back to gritty realism. the building site chase etc were phenomenal, as is the stairwell fight. one scene I really think is a cracker though is the shower scene. A lesser script would have had the cliché "oh, you're all distraught, let's have sex" rubbish, but Bond just turning the heat up and holding her whilst still fully dressed really got me.
 
Had to stick my oar in having read the article headline. Craig is possibly the worst bond of the bunch, even timothy dalton was more suited to the role. I can’t wait until they replace him.
Grew up loving connery and moore but brosnan was awesome in the role. Craig is neither good looking or charming, eurobond. This isn’t a knock against the quality of the films just craig in the role.

Oh and Carlitos way is better than scarface. 😜
I can't either he started out great in Casino Royale and was sort of Dalton'ish who the Bond of the books(and for many here me inc is the best). But each follow up been worse than the last, Skyfall being the worst and Spectre that bland I can even say its bad, but had to check the name of it as it that forgettable.

As for George Lazenby although not the best Bond did not put in a bad show to say it was his first screen acting role (well you really cant class below pic as acting:))and a lot better than some with lots more experience and are get cream acting roles these days. But like Craig let the role go to his head and very quick.

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P.S. a double raspberry(and wet ones at that) to them that thinks no one else has a right to an opinion only theirs.;):laugh:
 
Ah I know, the truth hurts.

But what I said about Craig was that his was the definitive Bond, i.e. the closest to a definitive incarnation of Fleming's character.

The Best Bond ever? That's surely personal preference. Personally, I can see the Dalton argument but he simply didn't have enough movies to fully judge by, something which applies even more clearly in Lazenby's case. Brosnan did a masterful job at being the best of both worlds (Connery and Moore) but was unsurprisingly master of none as a result (and... DAD). And Connery may be everybody's top choice but I grew up with Moore, and always believed that his lighter way of dealing with the insanely dangerous situations he was put in was the only possible way to avoid having a heart attack at 40 (and still play the role at 80). Where Connery would grit his teeth at the most ludicrous situation, Moore would always have a gag, never better than simply grinning back at an assassin who has just revealed that he has metal teeth, or patting his pockets looking for a pencil when he's being left on a pit of crocs as has been told that's one of only two ways to kill them. The other being, to pull out all his teeth...

Craig? Well before Spectre, his Bond was at least grounded, and never more so than in Casino Royale.

Can't help you with Carlito. It's just better. Them's the facts. ;)

Casino Royale is no doubt a Top5 of the franchise but the template came from the only original novel Eon had not adapted from the Fleming Novels. But I don't agree that Daniel Craig is the definitive Bond, but I guess it depends if you are talking about the one defined by the by the novels or the one defined by the movies, and I think most people's yardstick is the movies.

There is nothing wrong with taking Bond to grounded gritty spy thriller, the franchise has history in From Russia and Eyes Only, but for me the Bond movie template is larger-than-life stories, characters and villains, and Bond himself is more of a superhero than gritty, troubled, jaded spy. It's accepted that Moonraker and Die Another Day went too far into fantasy, which was what prompted the following films to go back to basics. In fact Daylights was a similar move following View to a Kill.

At the time Casino Royale was put into production there was no need to subseqently go grounded, Bourne and MI and others were seen as threats, but neither were as successful as DAD at the time, and I never saw the need to try and make Bond into something else as a result. Casino Royale aside, I think all the Craig films have been poor, and I don;t think Craig as Bond gets anywhere near being the best Bond across his body of work in comparison to any of the other actors, including Lazenby.

My favourite has been Brosnan, although I get your comment about his reign. But I remember so many moments in the Brosnan films that were definitive Bond, the nonchalant flick of the head as as bullets splintered the bookcase he was sheltering behind, the vodka drinking scene waiting for the assassin, the beating up of several bouncers behind the blackened window, and simple adjusting of tie, amongst many others. I do not have in memory a single Bondian moment in any of the Craig films. And Skyfall is full of things I hate, not least of which Bond quits in a huff, and ultimately fails the mission. This is not Bond.
 
And Skyfall is full of things I hate, not least of which Bond quits in a huff, and ultimately fails the mission. This is not Bond.

Perhaps "quits in a huff" is a little simplistic for "shot twice and left for dead", and I think it was integral to the parallels they were drawing with Silva. Getting up from that and getting straight on with the mission (which is what he eventually did) was hardly a walk in the park.

I actually thought it was Moneypenny who screwed up. Fine, if she wants to take the shot and hit the wrong person, but for God's sake keep shooting until you hit the target; she wasn't in The Deer Hunter!
 
Perhaps "quits in a huff" is a little simplistic for "shot twice and left for dead", and I think it was integral to the parallels they were drawing with Silva. Getting up from that and getting straight on with the mission (which is what he eventually did) was hardly a walk in the park.

I actually thought it was Moneypenny who screwed up. Fine, if she wants to take the shot and hit the wrong person, but for God's sake keep shooting until you hit the target; she wasn't in The Deer Hunter!

It's not so much the fact the fact he got shot, any mission can go bad, but he knew the list of Spies was now in enemy hands. If he had gone into hiding to heal and track down the list, knowing the consequences, off-book, fair enough, though I am getting tired of every film being a personal rogue mission, but he was simply drinking and sulking happy to be dead. It was only the fact that people actually started dying that he went back, but he should have known this was going to happen and tried to stop it, and I think the proper Bond character would have done.
 
Casino Royale is no doubt a Top5 of the franchise but the template came from the only original novel Eon had not adapted from the Fleming Novels. But I don't agree that Daniel Craig is the definitive Bond, but I guess it depends if you are talking about the one defined by the by the novels or the one defined by the movies, and I think most people's yardstick is the movies.

There is nothing wrong with taking Bond to grounded gritty spy thriller, the franchise has history in From Russia and Eyes Only, but for me the Bond movie template is larger-than-life stories, characters and villains, and Bond himself is more of a superhero than gritty, troubled, jaded spy. It's accepted that Moonraker and Die Another Day went too far into fantasy, which was what prompted the following films to go back to basics. In fact Daylights was a similar move following View to a Kill.

At the time Casino Royale was put into production there was no need to subseqently go grounded, Bourne and MI and others were seen as threats, but neither were as successful as DAD at the time, and I never saw the need to try and make Bond into something else as a result. Casino Royale aside, I think all the Craig films have been poor, and I don;t think Craig as Bond gets anywhere near being the best Bond across his body of work in comparison to any of the other actors, including Lazenby.

My favourite has been Brosnan, although I get your comment about his reign. But I remember so many moments in the Brosnan films that were definitive Bond, the nonchalant flick of the head as as bullets splintered the bookcase he was sheltering behind, the vodka drinking scene waiting for the assassin, the beating up of several bouncers behind the blackened window, and simple adjusting of tie, amongst many others. I do not have in memory a single Bondian moment in any of the Craig films. And Skyfall is full of things I hate, not least of which Bond quits in a huff, and ultimately fails the mission. This is not Bond.
Agreed Brosnan was great and he could of stayed for a few more movies imo. Although i have seen all off craigs efforts i lost enthusiasm long ago. Mission impossible now satisfies my bond type fix and does it far better.
 
It's not so much the fact the fact he got shot, any mission can go bad, but he knew the list of Spies was now in enemy hands. If he had gone into hiding to heal and track down the list, knowing the consequences, off-book, fair enough, though I am getting tired of every film being a personal rogue mission, but he was simply drinking and sulking happy to be dead. It was only the fact that people actually started dying that he went back, but he should have known this was going to happen and tried to stop it, and I think the proper Bond character would have done.

We're only talking a few days though aren't we? Weeks at most. Surely he was barely healed? Q later said the round should have killed him, and that wasn't even the AR. And he got back on it pretty quickly under those circumstances. If he'd just got up and kept going that would have been ridiculous.

I always thought it was telling when Fiennes asks him why didn't he stay dead. But, that was the proper Bond character - that's why he didn't.
 
We're only talking a few days though aren't we? Weeks at most. Surely he was barely healed? Q later said the round should have killed him, and that wasn't even the AR. And he got back on it pretty quickly under those circumstances. If he'd just got up and kept going that would have been ridiculous.

I always thought it was telling when Fiennes asks him why didn't he stay dead. But, that was the proper Bond character - that's why he didn't.
Maybe it was shorter, in my head I had it as a couple of months, but as I don't revisit that movie, you could be right.
 
Maybe it was shorter, in my head I had it as a couple of months, but as I don't revisit that movie, you could be right.

To be honest, mate, it's a moot point. As much as I like Craig's Bond, and enjoyed his run, Spectre not only killed it for me, but retroactively did damage to the films before it, just for kicks. There's no other Bond era you could say that about, not even with DAD.
 
I actually thought it was Moneypenny who screwed up. Fine, if she wants to take the shot and hit the wrong person, but for God's sake keep shooting until you hit the target; she wasn't in The Deer Hunter!

this all day!!!!!!!

i have a bit of a love/hate relationship with skyfall... on one hand its a really fun "anniversary" bond incorporating lots of previous bond actor styles into 1 film with a decent big bad villain and location etc but i also cant help but face palm on many occasions... the biggest one being that great opening sequence only for moneypenny to shoot once.... she's got M screaming at her to "take the bloody shot" (which is cold and feels absolutely on point - the mission is more important than the man!).... moneypenny literally takes out the obstacle (bond) - is left now with a clean shot (which he stands there brazenly watching her from the roof).... she might as well have waved at him....

<well that turned into a bit of rant :D>

i guess you could argue moneypenny lost her nerve and bottled it after blowing bond away but still.... take a second bloody shot!

......im going for a cup of tea :D:D
 
this all day!!!!!!!

i have a bit of a love/hate relationship with skyfall... on one hand its a really fun "anniversary" bond incorporating lots of previous bond actor styles into 1 film with a decent big bad villain and location etc but i also cant help but face palm on many occasions... the biggest one being that great opening sequence only for moneypenny to shoot once.... she's got M screaming at her to "take the bloody shot" (which is cold and feels absolutely on point - the mission is more important than the man!).... moneypenny literally takes out the obstacle (bond) - is left now with a clean shot (which he stands there brazenly watching her from the roof).... she might as well have waved at him....

<well that turned into a bit of rant :D>

i guess you could argue moneypenny lost her nerve and bottled it after blowing bond away but still.... take a second bloody shot!

......im going for a cup of tea :D:D

My favourite is the villain somehow anticipating that Bond would discover the court assassination, survive the firefight, follow him down the tunnels to the exact place at the exact right time to detonate and explosive to drop a tube train on his head.
 
My favourite is the villain somehow anticipating that Bond would discover the court assassination, survive the firefight, follow him down the tunnels to the exact place at the exact right time to detonate and explosive to drop a tube train on his head.

Still nowhere near as good as Blofeld anticipating Bond would survive everything across the first 3 movies as part of his master plan for jealous childhood revenge. He should (and probably did, hence the lair) play the lottery.
 
If No Time to Die sees Daniel Craig going rogue again I'll have to fight the urge to walk out the cinema. I want him to arrive at M's office, get given a mission. Complete the mission and have it away with a girl half his age in a dinghy. That's Bond!
 
Can't argue with the review, except it doesn't mention the brilliance of Skyfall. My personal favourite Bond film ever and a great introduction to Craig as the new Bond. Shame that QoS and the last film were so weak in comparison.
 
If No Time to Die sees Daniel Craig going rogue again I'll have to fight the urge to walk out the cinema. I want him to arrive at M's office, get given a mission. Complete the mission and have it away with a girl half his age in a dinghy. That's Bond!
In the words of the Patrick O'Brian books that sired "Master & Commander"

HEAR HIM! HEAR HIM!
 
I'm not a big fan of the Lazenby Bond, but.....Diana Rigg 😍
And the popular story of her always eating Garlic before any Love Scene with him (Blown up it seems from a chance remark she made) was great, true or not :)
But the Story itself, with Bond played by Connery would, have been great to see.
Oh yeah...I knew there was something good about that film!
 
If No Time to Die sees Daniel Craig going rogue again I'll have to fight the urge to walk out the cinema. I want him to arrive at M's office, get given a mission. Complete the mission and have it away with a girl half his age in a dinghy. That's Bond!

If it doesn't start with the end of OHMSS I'll be very surprised (and more than a little disappointed given I really don't like the emotionless brat he's currently gone inexplicably crazy over). So... cue more going rogue then.
 
If it doesn't start with the end of OHMSS I'll be very surprised (and more than a little disappointed given I really don't like the emotionless brat he's currently gone inexplicably crazy over). So... cue more going rogue then.
I don't see it myself. In the current climate of virtue signalling, 'fridging' the lead actress wouldn't go down well at all. Although, I too would like to see the back of her. Ideally they would have completely ignored the events of appalling Spectre and go with a new story. Seems like this dreary saga will go one more.
 
I can't wait to see the back of Craig in all honesty. I don't know why he signed on for another. If you watch Diamonds' back to back with OHMSS you can see how badly new blood was needed after a tired actor doing one more for the money. This feels very similar. I bloody love OHMSS though, so I'm as biased as they come.
 
I don't see it myself. In the current climate of virtue signalling, 'fridging' the lead actress wouldn't go down well at all. Although, I too would like to see the back of her. Ideally they would have completely ignored the events of appalling Spectre and go with a new story. Seems like this dreary saga will go one more.
I can't wait to see the back of Craig in all honesty. I don't know why he signed on for another. If you watch Diamonds' back to back with OHMSS you can see how badly new blood was needed after a tired actor doing one more for the money. This feels very similar. I bloody love OHMSS though, so I'm as biased as they come.

I dunno, I'm still insanely hoping that he can clean this mess up.

But you're right, the saga will likely continue. After all, they can't ignore the fact that the guy who basically instigated everything that happened in the last four films is still alive. Mr. Robot may be the new villain, but I've no doubt they'll try and pull off a Fallout.

It would be nice if they ignored it and just went back to work but, having just watched the last four, it wouldn't make any sense either. He'd all but quit and walked away, ready to live happily ever after, current climate or not they'd be fools not to OHMSS it.

They did however miss the perfect opportunity to recast.
 
I can't wait to see the back of Craig in all honesty. I don't know why he signed on for another. If you watch Diamonds' back to back with OHMSS you can see how badly new blood was needed after a tired actor doing one more for the money. This feels very similar. I bloody love OHMSS though, so I'm as biased as they come.
I love Diamonds! I own it and I dont own OHMSS - that should tell you everything. Its very un-PC which just makes it even better watching these days!
 

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