Compulsory Vaccinations

So why is it that the CDC, WHO, and the ECDC to name only 3 of many, all recommend the yearly flu vaccine for just about everyone including all children above 6 months with only certain exceptions but the nurse in my doctor's office tells me, "oh no, children shouldn't have the flu vaccine unless they are particularly vulnerable, their immune systems are still developing and it's better if it develops naturally by exposure to these illnesses."
Wow. Doesn't this "health professional" know how the immune system or vaccines work? That stimulating the immune response to provoke antibody production is actually a good thing when it comes to serious infectious diseases. Or are they just trying to save money I wonder? Both alternatives are pretty shitty. Perhaps this nurse has never had the flu. She certainly must be confused about why kids are given the MMR and other childhood vaccines if this is the sum total of her wisdom.
I’m in two minds whether to email my doctor and let her know the kind of advice one of her nurses is giving patients.

https://ecdc.europa.eu/en/seasonal-influenza/facts/factsheet
“Seasonal influenza causes 4 -50 million symptomatic cases in EU/EEA each year, and 15 000 – 70 000 European citizens die every year of causes associated with influenza. Despite the often short duration of illness, the yearly economic and healthcare burden of influenza is substantial.”
Get your flu shot - it’s painless, the needle is so tiny you don’t even feel the thing.
 
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I have to agree with that :blush::D
 
US Mother jailed for not vaccinating son, due to agreeing with Father to get it done but then reneging (due to being an 'educated vaccine-choice mother'):

US mother jailed for not vaccinating boy

Also interesting US VacFact:

The federal government does not legislate child immunisation, only issuing recommendations while leaving requirements to states or local school districts.

If a parent does not comply with a school's vaccination guidelines, the child is not permitted to attend school and the parent can be jailed for the pupil's truancy.

For that reason, many anti-vaccine parents choose to home-school their children, Mrs Fisher told the BBC.
 
What about the Flu Vaccine?
 
A lot of discussion over HPV vaccine for boys ... the objection appears to be purely financial, based on the high female uptake and heterosexual transmission. The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) is making a final decision on it this month I believe.

Pretty much all experts are in favour of it.
 
A lot of discussion over HPV vaccine for boys ... the objection appears to be purely financial, based on the high female uptake and heterosexual transmission. The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) is making a final decision on it this month I believe.

Pretty much all experts are in favour of it.
I know a number of parents, who are all in the medical profession, who are not letting their children have the flu vaccine
 
I know a number of parents, who are all in the medical profession, who are not letting their children have the flu vaccine
Do you know why?
 
Do you know why?
They claim it hasn't been tested for long enough, ie what are the long term effects of giving it to children.
 
They claim it hasn't been tested for long enough, ie what are the long term effects of giving it to children.

Unfortunately, there are ignorant and/or misinformed people even in the medical professions. What's more, the anti-vax community latches onto them and uses them to bolster their claims; "look, a doctor/nurse won't vaccinate their kids, therefore, we are right."

These silly individuals are going against the express recommendations of the WHO, ECDC, the CDC and other well-respected organisations with regards to flu vaccine advice and all say that they recommend everyone above 6 months, with some exceptions, should have the flu vaccine.

Given that many people die every year of the flu - yes, even healthy, young people - it seems incredibly unwise not to follow the guidelines laid out by respected health organisations.

The CDC say this about how effective the flu vaccine is;
Flu Vaccine Effectiveness: Questions and Answers for Health Professionals | Seasonal Influenza (Flu) | CDC
Children
In a four-year RCT of inactivated vaccines among children aged 1–15 years, vaccine efficacy was estimated at 77% against influenza A (H3N2) and 91% against influenza A (H1N1) virus infection[18]. An RCT of children aged 6–24 months reported vaccine efficacy of 66% against laboratory-confirmed influenza in 1999-2000 but no vaccine efficacy during the second year when there was little influenza activity[19]. During 2010-11, the vaccine efficacy of a quadrivalent inactivated vaccine among children aged 3-8 years was 59% (95% CI: 45%-70%)[20]. In addition, a cluster-randomized trial conducted in Hutterite communities in Canada found that vaccinating children aged 3 to 15 years with trivalent inactivated influenza vaccine before the 2008-09 season reduced RT-PCR confirmed influenza in the entire community by 61% (95% CI: 8-83), including a 59% reduction (95% CI: 5-82) in confirmed influenza among non-vaccinated community members, evidence of the “indirect” effect of influenza vaccination on prevention on disease transmission[21].

Several RCTs of live attenuated influenza vaccines among young children have demonstrated vaccine efficacy against laboratory confirmed influenza with estimates ranging from 74%-94%[22,23,24,25]. A study conducted among children aged 12 through 36 months living in Asia during consecutive influenza seasons reported efficacy for live attenuated influenza vaccine of 64%–70%[26].

And data showing children's lives are saved because of the flu vaccine;
CDC Press Releases
A new CDC study published today in Pediatrics is the first of its kind to show that flu vaccination significantly reduced a child’s risk of dying from influenza. The study, which looked at data from four flu seasons between 2010 and 2014, found that flu vaccination reduced the risk of flu-associated death by half (51 percent) among children with underlying high-risk medical conditions and by nearly two-thirds (65 percent) among healthy children. The study findings underscore the importance of the recommendation by CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics that all children 6 months and older get an annual flu vaccine.

Researchers estimated how effective the vaccine was at preventing flu-related deaths by comparing the vaccination status of the children who died from flu to comparison groups of children. The comparison groups were obtained from two national surveys and a database of commercial insurance claims.

“Every year CDC receives reports of children who died from the flu. This study tells us that we can prevent more of these deaths by vaccinating more,” said Brendan Flannery, PhD, lead author and epidemiologist in the Influenza Division. “We looked at four seasons when we know from other studies that the vaccine prevented flu illness, and we found consistent protection against flu deaths in children.”

During the study period, 358 laboratory-confirmed, flu-associated child deaths were reported to CDC. Of the reported pediatric deaths with known vaccination status (291), only one in four children (26 percent) had been vaccinated.

Since the 2004-2005 season, flu-related deaths in children reported to CDC during regular flu seasons ranged from 37 (during 2011-2012) to 171 (during 2012-2013). During the current flu season, 61 pediatric deaths have been reported to CDC as of March 25, 2017. More information about pediatric deaths is available in an interactive format at Influenza-Associated Pediatric Mortality.
 
Andrew Wakefield, who we struck off, has a huge following there, including some major celebrity endorsements.
If only he could catch a horrible disease.
 
I believe the main reason for not vaccinating people in general with the flu jab is because of the mutation of the flu virus.
The more people who have the jab, the more likely the virus might mutate and become resistant to the vaccine.

So they prefer to limit the jab to vulnerable people (very young kids and the elderly), plus people who regularly come into contact with these people (hospital staff etc)

It's a similar reason why GPS prefer not to give antibiotics to healthy people.


No, that's not why at all. You are confusing the adaptability of bacteria to mutate to become anti-biotic resistant with immunisations. They are not similar at all.
I know nothing about just in time manufacturing, but I know a lot about infectious diseases ;)
 
No, that's not why at all. You are confusing the adaptability of bacteria to mutate to become anti-biotic resistant with immunisations. They are not similar at all.
I know nothing about just in time manufacturing, but I know a lot about infectious diseases ;)
Thank God someone is here to put a stop to fake news!:rotfl:
 
Shit for brains parents causing a public health crisis. Worrying that this is probably going to get worse under the current US political climate, where god, alternative facts and quackery trumps science for many.
A county in New York state has declared a state of emergency following a severe outbreak of measles.

Rockland County, on the Hudson river north of New York City, has barred unvaccinated children from public spaces after 153 cases were confirmed.

Violating the order will be punishable by a fine of $500 (£378) and up to six months in prison.

The announcement follows other outbreaks of the disease in Washington, California, Texas and Illinois.

Vaccination rates have dropped steadily in the US with many parents objecting for philosophical or religious reasons, or because they believe misleading information that vaccines cause autism in children.
Encouraging news here ...
A teenager who made headlines for getting vaccinated despite his family's wishes has testified about his experience to US lawmakers.

Ethan Lindenberger, from Ohio, sought immunisations aged 18 after turning to the internet for advice.

Federal data suggests the proportion of US children under two not being immunised has quadrupled since 2001.

Doctors at the hearing blamed online misinformation and discredited science for scaring parents away from vaccines.

Mr Lindenberger, who is still a senior in high school, spoke on Tuesday at the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions alongside four doctors who are experts in the field.

He said much of his mother's opposition to routine vaccines came from fear they could cause side-effects like brain damage or autism.
 
Incredible stupidity. Even by normal religious / American / religious-American standards.
 
Sheer arrogance.
 
Over here in NZ there are a couple of sizeable outbreaks in the two biggest cities Auckland & Christchurch as well as more isolated cases in other towns, mostly due to infected people flying in from elsewhere, but the spread has been exasperated by a cohort of un-vaccinated people coming into contact with the disease. As usual, NZ is about 5-15 years behind the UK, so there are still many people who believe the lies of the anti-vaxxers, as well as a significant number of people that were not fully immunised 20+ years ago. It doesn't bode well for the future...
 
Looking at the last link remember Ukraine has about half the population of France.
In the US it looks like the breakouts are mainly because of Amish refusing vaccination, particularly New York State.
 
Still you should be fine in the UK.
The new Unicef research places Britain third worst among 10 high-income countries for the number of children left unvaccinated, estimated to be 527,000.

Only in the US, where approximately 2,593,000 youngsters are not vaccinated, and France which has 608,000, is the situation worse.

In 2017 there were 259 measles cases in England, rising to 966 in 2018.
 

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