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Denon AVR-X4300H Owners Thread

Paul Mela

Active Member
Ordered one of these on Thursday to replace my faithful Yamaha A810. Looks like I'm one of the first owners so I've started a thread.
 

bmkev

Active Member
I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on one of these, any thoughts as of yet would be great ideal.
 

Cye

Standard Member
Pulled the trigger today. Stopped off on my way to Glasgow to seal the deal and pay. Picking it up on Friday on my way home so i can play with it over the weekend.

Is it Friday yet......?
 

firefly71

Novice Member
hi,been on here a few times over the years,now back on ,awaiting this amp for a friday/saturday delivery,cant wait for you tech savvy guys and your hints tips,look forward to sharing :)
 

Roon1

Active Member
As soon as you are up and running can you give some feedback as i am potentially in the market for one of these myself! What speakers are you all running I do not know how Denon pairs with B&W speakers anyone know?
 

firefly71

Novice Member
hi,im up and running,so far so good,kef reference 2.2 front soundstage and just q8's at the backbut the sound is amazing,picture quality through my pioneer 5090 is just as good(maybe going 4k in the new year),firestick and kodi work great....cant comment on the heos as the speaker didnt arrive with the amp...whats going on Richer Sounds??????
 

Roon1

Active Member
Cheers firefly. Is anybody passing 4K and HDR though, how is it and how is the switching?

Thanks
 

firefly71

Novice Member
could really do with some help,if anyone can? I'm hooked up to a Tivo box,firestick and a ps4,the ps4 alwys works but the Tivo and the firestick seem to work when they want to.Am i doing something wrong with the Denon,i've had Pioneer and Onkyo before,never had a problem.Everything is connected properly,all hdmi leads are fully in,any tips would be greatly appreciated
 

firefly71

Novice Member
Well I'm a dumb a**All I had to do was turn off zone 2 .Didnt even think about it but when you turn the reciever off zone 2 kicked in,so opened the flap at the front,pressed off and now everything works fine,now I can finally start to to play properly
 

Roon1

Active Member
Excellent thanks. See how you get on playing depending on your feedback I will need to make a decision next week. Cheers
 

Davie G

Active Member
Hi all

Took the plunge and got a 4300H a couple of weeks ago. Not installed all of the speakers yet (going for a 5.1.4 set up, just running the fronts and sub at the moment) as I need to chase wires, etc. Oh the pain having them all in a box not being used... However, been playing with the 4300H HEOS and the HEOS 1 speaker. Finding that when paired as a multiroom, the HEOS 1 speaker is 'ahead' of the 4300H in synchronisation (about 50-100ms to my uncalibrated ear!). I've opened a support issue with Denon that I am still working through with them and will post any useful information here but interested to see if anyone else is having issues with the receiver not being in sync with the HEOS speaker? I'm finding it does this on any source (local NAS drive, stream, etc). Anyone else have the same problem?
 
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orchid288

Standard Member
Hi all, I would be very interested in resolving the sync issue also. Please bare with me, I am a complete novice in regards of AV.
I have also recently bought the 4300h. When watching tv, connected via HDMI the picture dialogue is always fractionally in front of the audio. I've tried to resolve the issue by experimenting with the sync function on the amp but it only makes it worse. There's the option of either applying auto sync or a manual adjustment. Neither seem to help. Trouble is , the manual adjustment only takes the audio further away, there's no way I can see of "retarding " the audio. Any help would be most appreciated.
Tv btw is a Sony xd94
 

Davie G

Active Member
Hi orchid288
I will post on any news regarding synchronisation.
Regarding your issue... On my 4300H the delay was hovering around 120ms (from auto set up?) when watching a blu ray and was about right for my kit. So, I had room to both advance or retard the amp audio relative to the picture. Are you saying that with a 0ms audio delay, the amp audio is still too far behind the picture?
 

orchid288

Standard Member
Are you saying that with a 0ms audio delay, the amp audio is still too far behind the picture?
Yes, that's it exactly. I tried playing with the settings again and found that normal tv is fine when set to auto sync. The problem occurs when watching Netflix (fractionally) but anything on utube, music vids etc are so bad it makes it impossible to watch. Could it be just the source itself ?.
 

Davie G

Active Member
Hi, sounds like it could be the source(s) rather than the amp. You mention that watching TV via HDMI is fine. In which case, the amp/TV combo is clearly capable of getting things in sync. What do you use to watch YouTube or Netflix? Is the firmware up to date on the kit you use for streaming these sources?
 

Finny

Standard Member
On first impression I'm a bit underwhelmed. It replaced an Onkyo 805 and lacks the punch and excitement of that receiver. It's definitely a warmer amp than the Onkyo but, for example, in the chase/truck-crash secene in The Dark Knight when the helicopter tail crashes through the high-rise windows the room fills with the sound of crashing and tinkling glass through the Onkyo but with the Denon it barely noticible. With the Onkyo, Morgan Feeman's voice is beautifully crisp, clear and melodius from the centre speaker. Again, the Denon doesn't compare here.

Yet to get under the hood which I hope can bring better results.
 

orchid288

Standard Member
Hi Davie G, we use the app for Netflix direct from the tv, also the voice recognition app for utube stuff. When playing anything through the BT uhd box it works ok.
Is there a way of setting the audio sync for individual apps/programs ?
 

orchid288

Standard Member
For a inexperienced av enthusiast I'm absolutely loving the 4300. Previously owned a Pioneer sc lx75 but to be honest never really got to grips with it, too confusing, whereas the Denon I've found much easier to navigate. I've got a MA Apex 7.2 setup & its never sounded so good.
I'm determined to get the best out of the current setup, a few minor issues hopefully to be resolved but I think that's only because of my inexperience rather than the amp.
 

Davie G

Active Member
Yet to get under the hood which I hope can bring better results.
I too hope to delve under the hood when time allows (working for a living and young kids tends to get in the way of things!). Apparently there's an audyssey app due to be released in the new year that can let you see what the room corrections have done (assuming you have used the auto set up). Reading on the net it sounds like you can also tweak the target correction curves too so that may help you get some of the sparkle back that you are missing now?
 

Davie G

Active Member
Hi Davie G, we use the app for Netflix direct from the tv, also the voice recognition app for utube stuff. When playing anything through the BT uhd box it works ok.
Is there a way of setting the audio sync for individual apps/programs ?
Hi orchid288 Not sure bout setting individual audio sync for different apps. That would be down to your source. However, that sort of stuff should just be taken care of by your TV. Incidentally, if you just use the TV speakers (!), are things in sync then?
 

orchid288

Standard Member
Ok, I've tried utube thru the tv speakers & it all works fine. It seems the problem lies when playing thru the amp. Hhhhhhmmmmmm. On the amp is the audio delay variable both ways, i.e. advance & retard ? I can only get settings making the issue worse.
 

Roon1

Active Member
Just jumped in and bought an x4300, give me a day or two for set up and fiddling and will share feedback [emoji1303]
 

Roon1

Active Member
Is any one having issues with the HEOS speaker grouping with main amp speaker set up and playing over wi-if? Will play on its own via Bluetooth though!

Everything else seems great and wii share more detail later. [emoji106]
 

Davie G

Active Member
Hi Roon1

I've managed to get the HEOS speaker to group with the receiver in the HEOS app (you should be able to see both the receiver and HEOS 1 speaker in the 'rooms' list, simply pinch zoom them together as if you were zooming out on a photo to multi-room them), however, I am having issues with the synchronisation between the two devices. As mentioned earlier in this post, I am speaking with Denon support to try to resolve. However, it is not looking promising as Denon say that there is no way the zone 1 on the receiver will ever be in synchrnoisation with a HEOS speaker (30ms to 90ms delay), no matter what is done. When you get your two devices working a multi-room set up, please let me know if they are in sync. I feel the only way to get Denon to take more notice is to be more vocal about the issue. The more people the better! As for the rest of the amp, so far I really like it, though yet to chase the wires for my rear or ceiling speakers and not had time to run a temporary system either so yet to experience the full-fat version of the amp. How are you getting on?
 

Davie G

Active Member
Ok, I've tried utube thru the tv speakers & it all works fine. It seems the problem lies when playing thru the amp. Hhhhhhmmmmmm. On the amp is the audio delay variable both ways, i.e. advance & retard ? I can only get settings making the issue worse.
I believe it is just a delay... At least you know your TV and youtube app are working correctly (some consolation!).

So, if you're watching youtube on the TV, the picture is native to the TV (not going through the amp), therefore has zero delay relative to the amp. The audio meanwhile, is going through your amp (via HDMI right now) and is experiencing a delay for some reason. The audio return channel should take care of this. Some things you could try;

1. Make sure the audio return channel (ARC) is enabled on the Denon (under settings / video / HDMI set up I think).
2. Make sure the ARC is enabled on your TV. You have helpfully told us your TV model and looking at the on line manual...
  • When connecting a BRAVIA Sync-compatible digital audio system with Audio Return Channel (ARC) technology, connect to the HDMI IN 4 jack (socket) with an HDMI cable (the HDMI IN 4 jack (socket) carries the “ARC” mark). However, if connecting a system that is not BRAVIA Sync-compatible or Audio Return Channel capable, an additional audio connection via DIGITAL AUDIO OUT (OPTICAL) is necessary
So, try connecting from HDMI port 4 on your TV to the amp.
If not then...

3. Connect the audio from the TV to the amp via another means when watching native TV (i.e. optical connection instead of HDMI). Don't forget to reassign the different audio input on the amp for the input you use for the TV.

Good luck!
 

Roon1

Active Member
Hi Davie G,

That's interesting, I can see my HEOS speaker and my 4300 in the app and have been pinching together. It says it is grouping and then comes back with a message a few seconds later saying 'Unable to Group'.

I can get music through one or the other via wi-fi or bluetooth but its as if they are independent set ups! The app sees both but will not group. Both are on the same network and i have disabled the 'smart' element on the Home Hub 6 as i was led to believe by the store this may cause a problem.

The only thing left to do is re-network the Denon amp in case this is the cause of the problem. Bloody annoying this as this stuff should be plug n go. Never seen anything quite so awkward as this for a while. If they are are going to take Sonos on at their own game they need to sort this out as all the Sonos systems I know work easily, reliably and flawlessly. I am not a technical dimwit but feel like one here, the amp network reset is the only thing left to try, have hard and soft reset the HEOS 1 to no avail already and tried every config I can think of.

Everything else seems perfect and soon as I can get this sorted I can give more time to listening to and watching my new set up. Wasting hours here!

Thanks,
 

Davie G

Active Member
Hi Roon1

I agree, if they are going to try and take on Sonos then it needs to be easier than it is (and in sync!).

Sounds like you have tried a lot of the logical things (certainly no dimwit!) so can't add anything else to the party. I guess I lucked out, my set up 'grouped' first time I tried it. It means if you want me to look at any settings to compare yours too, just ask (I'll get back as soon as I can).

I found the Denon support reasonable if you've not yet tried that route?

Also, what is the 'smart' element that you mention in your hub?
 

Roon1

Active Member
The smart bit is a smart set up function that all HH's have but it is not so smart and breaks a few set ups.

Just pinched from a Sonos thread that 2.4 ghz and 5ghz wi-fi is best separated as mine switches between one or the other depending on signal and range. This did cause Sonos a problem so HEOS too most likely. Will split my networks and sign them both up to the 5ghz only (at present i do not see what band they are on as it can change), although you think this work not make any difference as same network. Then they are on the same net wet and wi-fi band. I might be onto something here will let you know.

Thanks,
 

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