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Denon AVR-X4300H Owners Thread

meagabyte

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Ill sell my 4300 and get a 6x series as they seem to be all the rage at the moment.
 

UKenGB

Active Member
Let the Forum know the response but I'll be very surprised if you cannot enable the fronts as it such a feature on the higher tier models, certainly from the time of the X6200. You could consider a 6200 in your search for a used receiver as it is real step up from a 4300. I take it you have your eye on a 4300 as they are pretty hard to find on the secondary market.
I'm not stuck on the 4300. I want an 11 channel processor with 9 built-in channels and it must provide Atmos, DTS:X, Dolby Surround and Neural:X. I'm just after the cheapest way to achieve that. Any other suggestions?
 

dante01

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I'm not stuck on the 4300. I want an 11 channel processor with 9 built-in channels and it must provide Atmos, DTS:X, Dolby Surround and Neural:X. I'm just after the cheapest way to achieve that. Any other suggestions?

The cheapest 9 channel AV receiver with those attributes that is still available would be the Marantz SR6012. This can be had for about £650. It is last year's model hence the discounted price, but still offers much the same features as you'd get via its replacement.
 

UKenGB

Active Member
The cheapest 9 channel AV receiver with those attributes that is still available would be the Marantz SR6012. This can be had for about £650. It is last year's model hence the discounted price, but still offers much the same features as you'd get via its replacement.
To be honest, I'm reconciled to finding a used AVR. What is the difference then between the 60xx series and the 70xx Marantz?
 

dante01

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To be honest, I'm reconciled to finding a used AVR. What is the difference then between the 60xx series and the 70xx Marantz?

The main differences would be the power per channel and the inclusion of a 2 line display concealed behind a dropdown panel on the front of the SR7012. THe SR6012 is less powerful and only has the porthole display. The ring around the porthole display onboard the SR7012 can also be confifured to illuminat, but the SR6012 hasn't this feature.
 

UKenGB

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The SR6013 seems to be the currently available one and reading the Owner's Manual reveals it to be very similar to the X4300H. Same wording for most of it. Hardly surprising.

So either the Denon or Marantz would be suitable, but I'm not convinced the Marantz's 'porthole' display wouldn't irritate me in its sparseness. See what comes up I guess.

Thanks for the info though. It all helps make an informed decision.
 

dante01

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The SR6013 seems to be the currently available one and reading the Owner's Manual reveals it to be very similar to the X4300H. Same wording for most of it. Hardly surprising.

So either the Denon or Marantz would be suitable, but I'm not convinced the Marantz's 'porthole' display wouldn't irritate me in its sparseness. See what comes up I guess.

Thanks for the info though. It all helps make an informed decision.
Denon and Marantz are owned by the same unbrella company and many models share the same components and tech.

The Marantz SR7011 was basically the same model as the Denon AVRX4300 and the current SR7013 is also the same as the Denon AVRX4500. THe only difference is the inclusion of HDAM circuitry onboard the Marantz models:

Marantz developed its own discrete circuit boards to replace standard IC's. These HDAM's consists of discrete surface mount components with short mirror image L/R signal paths. Those devices are doing exactly the same thing as the Op-Amps, but outperform the regular IC Op-amps dramatically in terms of the Slew Rate and reduced noise level, resulting in a much more dynamic, accurate and detailed sound. Over the years Marantz developed different types of the HDAM to improve quality and to fit to the special requirements of a product category like CD or amplifier.
Many suggest that the Marantz receivers sound better than their comparative Denon models due to the inclusion of HDAM, this is particularly the case relative to musical sources. You also pay a premium for the Marantz models due to Marantz's hifi heritage. There's no comparative Denon model to the SR6012 or 6013 and the SR6012 sat between the Denon AVRX3400 and the DEnon AVRX4400. As said, the AVRX4400 and the SR7012 are basically the same receiver.
 
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UKenGB

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Denon and Marantz are owned by the same unbrella company and many models share the same components and tech.

The Marantz SR7011 was basically the same model as the Denon AVRX4300 and the current SR7013 is also the same as the DEnon AVRX4400. THe only difference is the inclusion of HDAM circuitry onboard the Marantz models:



Many suggest that the Marantz receivers sound better than their comparative Denon models due to the inclusion of HDAM, this is particularly the case relative to musical sources. You also pay a premium for the Marantz models due to Marantz's hifi heritage. There's no comparative Denon model to the SR6012 or 6013 and the SR6012 sat between the Denon AVRX3400 and the DEnon AVRX4400. As said, the AVRX4400 and the SR7012 are basically the same receiver.
I should've just asked you first. :) So much useful info. Thanks again.
 

meagabyte

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Old Dante is, unfortunately, an encyclopedia of this stuff. Ridiculously insightful into AVRs and their working. makes the rest of us seem rather dim by comparison lol
 

avanzato

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Excellent, thanks. So that shows conclusively that I can do what I want with a 4400. But...

Can anyone confirm this is the same with the 4300?

Not that I have either yet, but I'd like to know for sure about both so then I can search for either AVR.
Yes you can, I did.
 
I have been running a Velodyne sub on the 4300 and noticed a couple weeks ago it had cratered (for the second time). I replaced it with a SVS PB 2000 and reran Audyssey; all seemed well and the sub was clearly rumbling when I adjusted its level to correct the volume error before running the calibration.

But I noticed I am getting no bass on movies and such and when I checked the individual speaker levels noticed barely a whisper coming from the sub; the only way to get volume is to run the Denon and SVS volume settings to the max, which I know is not right. All the speaker settings look right and the SVS is set as per instructions for LFE.

Is there something unique with this sub I need to deal with, or is it possible the Velodyne could have caused a problem with the 4300 when it went out? I did double check the Velodyne and confirmed it is dead.

Thanks!
 

meagabyte

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Hmm thats certainly not right. I ran the PB2000 before going to a PC2000 and the PB was a monster. I did find that Audyssey wanted the sub to be lower than i liked. So using the gain on the sub to adjust to the correct level during setup, i then bumped it up a few notches.
When your watching a movie, does the display have LFE speaker lit up?
 

meagabyte

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So amp updated tonight. Didn’t mean to but wasn’t checking the FW for one of my HEOS speakers and the dam app updated the firmware on all speakers and the AVR. Anyone know what’s new?
 

AndyMoody

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I had an update this morning via my Heos app which did the amp and speaker when I started it. Maybe that?
 

meagabyte

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Oh the app normally tells me if there is an update waiting but this time I checked for updates. Wanted to check one speaker but it did the lot. So just wondering what the AVR update entails. I went over to the denon website but it wanted to know my serial number before I could see the update and what it fixed or brought in.
 

dante01

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Oh the app normally tells me if there is an update waiting but this time I checked for updates. Wanted to check one speaker but it did the lot. So just wondering what the AVR update entails. I went over to the denon website but it wanted to know my serial number before I could see the update and what it fixed or brought in.
Just enter any number and you'll gain access.

The current changelog only lists the last update as being the update released on the 6 February:

changelog_AVRX4300H.txt


last updated:- 06/02/2019


Firmware Vers:6461-9018-8481-3594 ( Non Auro version )
6461-9018-8481-3594 ( Auro version )

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06/02/2019

Firmware Vers: 6461-9018-8481-3594 (DZ19-089, , AVR-X4300HBKE2, AVR-X4300HSPE2)

1)While AVR displays Title/Artist/Album by status display, AVR will display
"Spotify" after "Volume change, Mute, INFO, Sound Mode change, SLEEP,
ZONE2 ON/OFF" operations.
2) Update the firmware version to 1.493.180 Music files in USB stick memory
formatted with NTFS cannot be played on HEOS products.




Filename:-DPMS_AVR-X4300HE2_LEGO_0014.zip:
heos_40.prod_1.493.180.zip



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31/10/2018

Firmware Vers: 6461-7008-8431-1584 (DZ19-064, , AVR-X4300HBKE2, AVR-X4300HSPE2)


1) Audio improvments and fixes


Filename:DPMS_AVR-X4300HE2_LEGO_0013.zip:
heos_40.prod_1.481.130.zip


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08/08/2018

Firmware Vers: 6451-5087-8491-6564 (DZ19-023, , AVR-X4300HBKE2, AVR-X4300HSPE2)

1) "ALLM (Auto Low Latency Mode)" is ready.
2) "Apple AirPlay2" is ready.
3) Other minor bug fixes.

Filename:-AVR-X4300HBKE2/AVR-X4300HSPE2
heos_40.prod_1.466.190.zip


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20.11.2017

Firmware vers: 6340-8976-8461-0534 (DZ17-103, AVR-X4300HBKE2)

1) Bugfix for no sound from AirPlay after standby
2) Bugfix for Bluetooth not working after firmware update
3) Other bugfixes and stability improvements



Filename:- DPMS_AVR-X4300HE2_LEGO_0009.zip
- heos_40.prod_1.430.160.zip



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20.09.2017

Firmware vers: 6340-6946-8451-1524 (DZ17-067, AVR-X4300HBKE2)

1) When playing some ripped Audio CD¥s via a USB stick, an "unsupported file
format" error can occur.
2) Added Amazon music system for Japan, UK, Germany, France, Italy and
Spain.
3) Added HEOS Home Entertainment skill with your Amazon Alexa feature.
(Voice control for Amazon)
4) Added a new feature Dolby Vison
Dolby Vision - Dramatic Imaging at Home or in the Cinema
5) Added a new feature HLG (Hybrid Log Gamma) for the pass through signal
Hybrid Log-Gamma - Wikipedia
6) When the customer plays the source of DTS-HD 2.1 ch in Dolby Surround
mode, the sound is output only from the woofer.



Filename:- DPMS_AVR-X4300HE2_LEGO_PopupNon_0008.zip
- heos_40.prod_1.421.153.zip



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This isn't however unusual and DEnon don't usually give out info or update their changelogs until some tome after they launch a new update. You'll probably have to wait some time for any new update to be made available as a standalone update?
 
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Coulson

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In 2019 is it worth picking one of these up used for around 500?
 

Coulson

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Not sure about price but it still does everything I require
Thanks. I've not seen one cheaper than this anywhere. I can get the equivalent Marantz new for about 130 quid more but this one seems to have everything I need. I think it's because there is no difference in core functionality between the 4300 and 4500 unless you need eARC.
 

FunkiestMonkey

Active Member
Thanks. I've not seen one cheaper than this anywhere. I can get the equivalent Marantz new for about 130 quid more but this one seems to have everything I need. I think it's because there is no difference in core functionality between the 4300 and 4500 unless you need eARC.
What does eARC do?
 

Coulson

Well-known Member
In the links below there was one that theoretically went for 400
£500 to me was a great price for something that matches up with a £1000+ receiver but I struggled to find any used. What I found was similar Marantz for around £630.
 

Coulson

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barwell1992

Active Member
I paid just over £850 for mine new the same year it was released (real bargain), personally if I were to upgrade it would be to a unit with balanced outputs as I no longer use the built in amps bar two atmos speakers, other than that it’s still spot on IMO. As for price £500 seems like an ok price £400 would be what I’d look to pick one up for.
 

Coulson

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I paid just over £850 for mine new the same year it was released (real bargain), personally if I were to upgrade it would be to a unit with balanced outputs as I no longer use the built in amps bar two atmos speakers, other than that it’s still spot on IMO. As for price £500 seems like an ok price £400 would be what I’d look to pick one up for.
Thanks.
I wish I could have found one for £400. What I currently see are an x4100 for £400 an x4200 for £600 and another for £900 which is crazy. AVR-x4300s are rare and this one seems to be in great condition with everything included. I try to only upgrade when it is a clear upgrade over my current equipment which in this case it is.
 
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gibbsy

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What does eARC do?
It will allow of better audio as already pointed out. Both TV and receiver will need to be eARC capable. It will also be more stable and all manufacturers will implement it to a standard so you won't have the handshake problems that blight standard ARC.
 

Coulson

Well-known Member
It will allow of better audio as already pointed out. Both TV and receiver will need to be eARC capable. It will also be more stable and all manufacturers will implement it to a standard so you won't have the handshake problems that blight standard ARC.
I know people want this feature but I can't see Netflix pushing out lossless Atmos for some time. That kind of bandwidth is simply not widespread.
 

StumpyBloke

Well-known Member
I know people want this feature but I can't see Netflix pushing out lossless Atmos for some time. That kind of bandwidth is simply not widespread.
I guess it will be more useful if you want to to connect your 4K/Blu-ray player directly to your TV inputs, so you can have separate settings, and then use eArc to send full fat audio back to the AVR.
 

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