dog attack in USA

I imagine I would.

All I'm saying is a dogs behaviour is a by-product of its upbringing, these attacks would happen a lot less if the animal was raised and trained correctly, not as a fighting dog, or chained up outside its whole life.
Have to agree with Tommitch on this one. I have a pit and Zsa Zsa is the sweetest girl in the world. As well as the coolest.
 

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I was told many years ago by someone who was very into Alsatians (German Shepards) that they way to counter such a dog running towards you was to make a fist, and just as it comes for you, it will open it's mouth and you ram/punch your fist into to dogs mouth.

1: I will not like this at all !
2: It hurts!
3: Your fist as the back of it's throat means it will not be able to close it's jaws.

Of course, this is very easy to say as a method, and I've no idea how true it was, but the guy was very knowledgeable at the time.

To add to that. A fist up its ar*e & away you go, warm hands for winter.
 
Have to agree with Tommitch on this one. I have a pit and Zsa Zsa is the sweetest girl in the world. As well as the coolest.
And guns are perfectly safe in the right hands too. The dog in the video is not sweet and is not cool. Which is down to the owner, but you have to treat it as what it is. (The dog in the video I hasten to add).
 
Jump on the back of the dog > choke hold > unconscious dog > job done.
 
Yes of course and when swimming in the sea and a great white shark comes to attack you, you should punch it on the nose.. or what's the other one, grab a crocodiles mouth and keep it closed oh and stand up big and tall and shout at a grizzly bear as it runs towards you to attack...
For crying out loud, sneak up behind someone and make them jump and they startle and freeze, but people think they can deal with an animal attacking...
Human beings are weak compared to animals, we are made to run away (built for sprinting and endurance) and to build stuff. Not get down and dirty with animals built for the kill...

In the military, a mate of mine was on a selection course for working at a specialist unit. Part of this training was escape and evasion. During one of their briefings, the instructor explained how the guys would be chased across the training area, tracked by a hunter force that used dogs to track them and helicopters to find them. A massive para that was sat next to my mate on the front row piped up 'Well, if a dog tried to attack me, I'd just grab it's front legs as it jumped up at me, pull them apart, job done'.
The instructor, clearly having heard complete macho shite before, walked out of the room. 10 seconds later, an RAF dog handler came in, with a German Shepherd on a rope. He walked up to the para, gave a command to the dog, which then jumped up at the para, snarling and trying to bite his face off, whilst being held back by the handler. The para literally pissed in his plastic chair.
According to my mate, the RAF guy and his dog walked out, the instructor walked back in and carried on talking as if nothing had happened :rotfl:
 
I would have just spun it around and fingered it
 
just saw this on the daily mail website - and made me stop and think what i would do if i was the one under attack, or if i was one of the people trying to get the dog off. What would you do to stop the attack?

Detroit postal worker is mauled in vicious dog attack despite as he delivered the mail | Daily Mail Online

Whilst I wouldn't want to harm an "innocent" animal there comes a point where you just have to do anything needed to get it off? It clearly wasn't going to let go and was capable of causing serious injury - so what can you do to make it let go - kill it?

Killed it with anything possible. Kicked it. Run it over. Shot it. Anything to stop it.
 
In the military, a mate of mine was on a selection course for working at a specialist unit. Part of this training was escape and evasion. During one of their briefings, the instructor explained how the guys would be chased across the training area, tracked by a hunter force that used dogs to track them and helicopters to find them. A massive para that was sat next to my mate on the front row piped up 'Well, if a dog tried to attack me, I'd just grab it's front legs as it jumped up at me, pull them apart, job done'.
The instructor, clearly having heard complete macho sh*te before, walked out of the room. 10 seconds later, an RAF dog handler came in, with a German Shepherd on a rope. He walked up to the para, gave a command to the dog, which then jumped up at the para, snarling and trying to bite his face off, whilst being held back by the handler. The para literally pissed in his plastic chair.
According to my mate, the RAF guy and his dog walked out, the instructor walked back in and carried on talking as if nothing had happened :rotfl:

Not the old RAF Reg beating a para again :). What next 5miles of death lol
 
We bred Rough Collies for a short while when I was a kid.

The ramming a fist down it's throat is almost correct, but not quite.

If you make a fist and give that to the dog to bite, while not coming away unharmed, the injuries suffered will generally be a bit of broken skin, maybe even a tearing of skin away from the bone, but really no more, there's not much flesh on the back of your hand, so the teeth are only going to pull skin, not the meaty bits! Yes, it hurts, but you're not going to suffer a life-threatening injury from it!

An adult sized fist will prevent the dog from bringing the full force of it's jaw muscles to bear, as to fit your fist in it's mouth, the jaw has to be opened quite wide. And here, you can help yourself by pushing your fist further into the mouth - which is probably where the original comment of using a fist comes from.

Now, having said that, I've only used this technique with dogs that are not naturally vicious, Collies, Labs, Pointers, Huskies, and other little cutesies like Springers and the like. I haven't been into battle with a PitBull, or others of a similar temperament, so whether these might leave your hand alone, and go for a softer target, I don't know. But just thought I'd comment on the fist theory, as making your fist the target has merit, while you, or someone not being attacked, sorts the issue out.

As an aside, when approaching dogs, as a stranger, it is generally best to get down to their level, so as not to present a threat - dogs tend to attack when they perceive a threat (real or imagined). Being at their level, puts them more at ease. Then offer them the back of your hand to smell (not your fingers) - this way, if they do nip, you can still make a fist - if they already have your fingers it's much more difficult, and there's more soft tissue available for them to bite into, and damage.

I'm sure most here already know this, but if it helps someone not familiar with handling dogs....
 
Put your face at the level of their jaws, I can see that working out well :eek:
 
As an aside, when approaching dogs, as a stranger, it is generally best to get down to their level, so as not to present a threat - dogs tend to attack when they perceive a threat (real or imagined). Being at their level, puts them more at ease. Then offer them the back of your hand to smell (not your fingers) - this way, if they do nip, you can still make a fist - if they already have your fingers it's much more difficult, and there's more soft tissue available for them to bite into, and damage.

I'm sure most here already know this, but if it helps someone not familiar with handling dogs....

I usually find getting on all fours & sniffing there butt's puts them at ease.
 
As an aside, when approaching dogs, as a stranger, it is generally best to get down to their level, so as not to present a threat - dogs tend to attack when they perceive a threat (real or imagined). Being at their level, puts them more at ease. Then offer them the back of your hand to smell (not your fingers) - this way, if they do nip, you can still make a fist - if they already have your fingers it's much more difficult, and there's more soft tissue available for them to bite into, and damage.

I'm sure most here already know this, but if it helps someone not familiar with handling dogs....
On the other hand, why approach a dog you don't know in the first place?
And seeing as you don't know it, why go down to its level, which puts your face nearer to the toothy bit?
Today whilst out walking my dog, a woman let her dog unleashed run up to mine, who was leashed. She asked me "Is he alright?". I said "I don't know, he's a dog"...
I've always had dogs, and I know that as much as we love and believe in the best of them, ultimately even the best dog trainer in the world doesn't speak dog and even the smartest, loveliest dog in the world doesn't speak human.
We never actually know. I mean, we get it wrong with other humans all the time don't we?
 
On the other hand, why approach a dog you don't know in the first place?
And seeing as you don't know it, why go down to its level, which puts your face nearer to the toothy bit?
Today whilst out walking my dog, a woman let her dog unleashed run up to mine, who was leashed. She asked me "Is he alright?". I said "I don't know, he's a dog"...
I've always had dogs, and I know that as much as we love and believe in the best of them, ultimately even the best dog trainer in the world doesn't speak dog and even the smartest, loveliest dog in the world doesn't speak human.
We never actually know. I mean, we get it wrong with other humans all the time don't we?

Absolutely. But, while we don't have dogs presently, many of our neighbours and people in the village do - we don't know all of them, but around here, it's considered impolite to simply walk past someone without at least a 'Good Morning', or more often a few more pleasantries.

For many people, I'd agree that it's not a good idea to approach a strange dog - certainly if you give off any 'fearful vibes', or are unsure of how to behave around dogs - but for me, I'm very comfortable with them. And unless the person in charge of the dog warns me off (I can't remember the last time that happened), I'll always 'say hello' to the dog, even if it's barking away - though not if that were an aggressive snarly type of bark - you know the type I mean - but if he/she is just 'shouting', I'll say 'hello', and offer my hand to sniff - most often it results in a neck/behind the ear scratch too, but sometimes the dog will back away, and I'll take that cue to do likewise in a non-threatening manner.

I should say that I don't move towards the dog, I let them come to me, just sinking to one knee and presenting the back of my hand - it's up to the dog whether they want to interact.

There are certain dog breeds I will not approach though, at all - thankfully, no-one in the village has any of them.
 
Absolutely. But, while we don't have dogs presently, many of our neighbours and people in the village do - we don't know all of them, but around here, it's considered impolite to simply walk past someone without at least a 'Good Morning', or more often a few more pleasantries.
I would also consider it bad manners to be eaten by a dog too...
 
Put your face at the level of their jaws, I can see that working out well :eek:

Not quite what I meant - but at the very least keep any visible hand at or below their head height, so they don’t perceive your hand as a threat - invariably, when a dog is beaten by a human, it’s from above, and many dogs will take a hand above their head as a threatening gesture.

I simply lower myself onto one knee and offer the back of my hand towards the dog, keeping my hand below it’s head. It’s up to the dog whether it wants to come and say hello, but most do - they’ll have a sniff, and often lick your hand, and then come inside your reach to say hello more comfortably - a neck/behind the ear scratch is then often welcomed.

As a kid we were taken to dog shows all over the country, and interacted with hundreds of dogs - maybe it’s that upbringing that has made me as comfortable around dogs as I am? I dunno; but I have seen dogs react aggressively towards people when approached - almost always this has been when people who are unsure of how to behave around dogs keep themselves tall, keep their hands up around their own chest height, show that they are frightened, or generally 'flounce around', or any combination of these.

If you are calm and friendly, bearing in mind my first paragraph, dogs tend to react far better than if you act in the manner just described.
 
Just out of curiosity, what breeds?

I specifically didn't mention it, as there may well be owners of these dogs on the forum, who'll no doubt pipe up and tell me how wonderfully behaved their dog is - but I can't tell.

Basically, any Pit Bull type terrier, and I know that's a type, rather than a breed - and that's exactly my point - I can't tell if the dog is a friendly Staffy, or something more malevolent - and, given what these dogs were originally bred for (historically), I don't feel like offering them my hand, whether in a fist or not! It's just a personal prejudice of mine.
 

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