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RXP

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Been underwhelmed with Dolby Atmos outside of their own demo clips. Saw Harry Potter in DTS:X and was blown away! Even my wife noticed!
 

joner7777

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Been underwhelmed with Dolby Atmos outside of their own demo clips. Saw Harry Potter in DTS:X and was blown away! Even my wife noticed!
Found much the same as well.
DTS:X seems to have more of a louder EQ set up with it compared with Atmos.
It really pays to listen to a local cinema set up or a local Hi Fi shop which is rigged up for a Atmos demo, they have the kit and the time to do it.
I sat in a local shop and he put on a Atmos film , i could not believe how rubbish my set up was compared to what they had.
I drove straight back to mine with the sound set up still in my ears , then reset mine straight away ,it is so much better since then.
I think i just relied upon Audyssey pre set up and thought well ,they know what they are doing so it has to be correct, i turned it off and used my ears , much better now.
 

RXP

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What did you tweak Joner? The levels? I've heard that you should run the ceiling speakers slightly hotter than the test tones - I listened to Justice League at reference volume and didn't notice much going on up there and it's supposedly the Dynamic EQ that leads to wrong atmos settings at less than ref volume.

What did you also listen to at your Hifi shop?

I just find DTS:X just has a lot more going on in the ceiling. When a ton of action is on screen it's hard for your ears to notice the subtle effects. In the demo clips they've done a great job of engineering sounds you can really pay attention to. But in a real movie that just isn't the case.
 

joner7777

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What did you tweak Joner? The levels? I've heard that you should run the ceiling speakers slightly hotter than the test tones - I listened to Justice League at reference volume and didn't notice much going on up there and it's supposedly the Dynamic EQ that leads to wrong atmos settings at less than ref volume.

What did you also listen to at your Hifi shop?

I just find DTS:X just has a lot more going on in the ceiling. When a ton of action is on screen it's hard for your ears to notice the subtle effects. In the demo clips they've done a great job of engineering sounds you can really pay attention to. But in a real movie that just isn't the case.
I can`t remember what film clips he used.

I did notice in the cinema that the centre speech speaker was very loud ( maybe they have to cater for all types of listeners with all sorts of hearing issues)?

Yes ,the ceiling and the rear surrounds speakers were up a extra 2.5 db ,the centre up 1.5 .
The subs i dropped the crossover down to ,i can`t remember ! but it was to pick up just the lower register of the bass, a lot of bass response comes from my front L+R speakers anyway.

As you say, the demos seem to be pumped up to show off what can be done ,so what you need to do is over compensate what you think you need.

I sat in my number 1 seat and mainly used the Denon test tones for each individual speaker ,one by one .
Then when i could hear what I wanted to hear from each part of the room ,then that is right for my set up and the shape and set up of my room.
Every room is different , so make it work for you.

I have tried reverting back to Audyssey after my fiddling and it was just a bland , neutral , sound --- maybe what they intending , but not for me, so set it back to my set up.

I found waiting for a sound to come up on a certain speaker when listening to a film was too long winded , using the test tone was more constant.
 
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grolschie

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Make sure you press the A. F. D button on the Sony strdn 1080 amp, that will then decode the dts x or dolby atmos soundtrack, cheak the sound levels, depending on how high you have your two ceiling speakers and adjust accordingly.
And set the height speakers to FH, not FD or TM with the STR-DN1080 (regardless of what they are) otherwise they will be silent with DTS:X content.
 

Seriously Ltd

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We attended the world launch of DTS:X Pro last week. Very cool.

Supports up to 30.2 discrete speakers with the ability to have multiple custom configurations. Multiple height layers etc. Neural X will also up mix to all 30.2 channels.
 

silouette

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Just to mention I too was not happy with my pseudo atmos?DTSx on my Yamaha 3050 which had been using in Yapo set us as all advice seemed to say this was the best route.
Well got out the old sound meter and voila all the heights and rears were far too low.
So kicking myself for listening to the general opinion and now rewatching movies that I thought not up to expectations and much happier.
What to watch tonight hmmmm?
 

fayeanddavid

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Just to mention I too was not happy with my pseudo atmos?DTSx on my Yamaha 3050 which had been using in Yapo set us as all advice seemed to say this was the best route.
Well got out the old sound meter and voila all the heights and rears were far too low.
So kicking myself for listening to the general opinion and now rewatching movies that I thought not up to expectations and much happier.
What to watch tonight hmmmm?
Lesson learnt, always check automated settings for accuracy...
 

1crb1

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Just to mention I too was not happy with my pseudo atmos?DTSx on my Yamaha 3050 which had been using in Yapo set us as all advice seemed to say this was the best route.
Well got out the old sound meter and voila all the heights and rears were far too low.
So kicking myself for listening to the general opinion and now rewatching movies that I thought not up to expectations and much happier.
What to watch tonight hmmmm?
Did you equal out all speaker outputs to the same? Base level and heights?
 

fayeanddavid

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Did you equal out all speaker outputs to the same? Base level and heights?
Should be what suits you, I find lifting the Atmos speakers 2 to 3 dB helps a lot, but this is all about individual wants, needs and listening habits
 

iangreasby

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I still have my Pioneer LX 303 calibration mic unopened in its plastic bag. My settings are 0.5 for front left and right, centre 3.0, 3.0 for Atmos fronts, 2.5 for Atmos rears, 1.5 for surrounds and 0.5 for Sub. It's probably completely lacking in subtlety, but it sounds great to me! :)
 

brad123

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At the moment I have 4 speakers at the back, 1 in each corner and 2 in the middle at the back on the floor. Usual 2 fronts in each corner and centre at the front. Can this do DTS: X? I wont be putting speakers in the ceiling. I can put the middle rears on a high shelf where the projector is.
 

dante01

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At the moment I have 4 speakers at the back, 1 in each corner and 2 in the middle at the back on the floor. Usual 2 fronts in each corner and centre at the front. Can this do DTS: X? I wont be putting speakers in the ceiling. I can put the middle rears on a high shelf where the projector is.
For both DTS:X and Atmos, you need at least a conventional 5.1 floor level layer plus 2 additional Atmos speakers. This would give you what is termed a 5.1.2 setup. The floorlayer speakers ideally need to be at your seated head height while the 2 Atmos speakers either need to be located on firing downward, on the front wall high up above the front left and right speakers or as 2 upward fireing speakers located on top of your front left and right speakers.

This document relates to Atmos, but you can use it to determine where to place your speakers in a manner that can be utilised by both Atmos and DTS:X:
 

brad123

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So to get Atmos from my 7.2 amp my choices are either speakers in ceiling above me, 1 each side halfway down room, 2 front speakers upfacing.
 

dante01

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So to get Atmos from my 7.2 amp my choices are either speakers in ceiling above me, 1 each side halfway down room, 2 front speakers upfacing.
No, there's no option to locate the 2 Atmos speakers alongside you halfway down the room.

You can have 2 ceiling speakers ideally located above you, 2 height speakers located high up on your front wall above your front left and right speakers or to use 2 upfiring speakers ideally placed on top of your front left and right speakers. Any of these would give you a 5.1.2 speaker layout admissable for use with either Atmos or DTS:X.

Note that there will be visual representations of all these options within your AV receiver's manual.
 

brad123

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Thanks for the feedback. I have a white ceiling so am thinking of installing some white atmos speakers, question is can I do this without having to pull up floorboards in room above. Could I maybe install speaker like example and run white wire in corner of ceiling so you can't see it?

So something that goes in nook of the wall and ceiling instead of installed into the ceiling?

Also presume as my systems is only 7.2 I'd only have option to install 2 new ceiling Atmos speakers?

Whats a good 9.2 amp then under 1k?
 

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dante01

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You can surface mount the ceiling speakers as well as the associated wiring and there's no necessity to have in ceiling speakers. Whether you'd be asthetically better off having the speakers mounted in the ceiling and the wiring concealed under the floor above is another matter.

If you were to mount the speakers where the wallintersects with the ceiling then the speakers would not be correctly located unless you were installing front heights. THe ceiling option requires that the ceiling speakers be parallel with the front left and right speakers as opposed to being located on the very edges of your room. Neither would they be firing downward if mounted where you suggest.


If you've only a 7 channel AV receiver then you cannot have more than just 2 Atmos speakers or anything more than a 5.1.2 setup.


If wanting a 9 channel receiver then look at the Denon AVRX4500 or maybe a Marantz SR6013:




The above 2 options would allow you to have either a 7.1.2 or a 5.1.4 setup. They can even facilitate you with a 7.1.4 setup if you add another 2 channels of external amplification.
 
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pgharavi

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If you've only a 7 channel AV receiver then you cannot have more than just 2 Atmos speakers or anything more than a 5.1.2 setup.
The above 2 options would allow you to have either a 7.1.2 or a 5.1.4 setup. They can even facilitate you with a 7.1.4 setup if you add another 2 channels of external amplification.
Hi @dante01

At risk of belaboring your advice, I'm in a similar situation as brad.

Of the two options you presented, the purchase of a new AVR is, of course, clear enough. My current setup is a Yamaha RX-781 in 5.1.2 configuration. Your second option was adding another "2 channels of external amplification." I'm unclear on how to do this or if this is even an option for my AVR.

Am I simply out of luck or is adding external amplification a viable option for me? I've combed my AVR's manual to no, clear, avail.

Appreciate any advice!
 

dante01

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Hi @dante01

At risk of belaboring your advice, I'm in a similar situation as brad.

Of the two options you presented, the purchase of a new AVR is, of course, clear enough. My current setup is a Yamaha RX-781 in 5.1.2 configuration. Your second option was adding another "2 channels of external amplification." I'm unclear on how to do this or if this is even an option for my AVR.

Am I simply out of luck or is adding external amplification a viable option for me? I've combed my AVR's manual to no, clear, avail.

Appreciate any advice!

Your current AV receiver is limited to no more than 7 channels of audio processing and has no option to add more channels of additional external amplification. THe most you can do with that receiver is a 5.1.2 or a 7.1 setup and layout.

You'd need at least a 9 channel receiver to be able to have 9 or more speakers present in your setup. This is excluding Arcam Atmos enabled receivers which are all 7 channel, but do include 11 channel processing.
 

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