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rancidpunk

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tapzilla2k

Distinguished Member
Here's a little bit of news:

Blue passport to return after Brexit

Back to the blue British passports after Brexit.
A passport serves a function, they could be pink for all I care.
Ed Miliband on Twitter

We've also seen the brexit impact reports sector analyses published. Finally got around to writing something.

Brexit sectoral analyses published by Committee - News from Parliament
Some of it reads like GCSE Geography etc coursework.
 

rancidpunk

In Memoriam
Ah, that's who Davis outsourced it to.
 

nabby

Distinguished Member
Fact 1) Blue passports were only brought in the UK around 1921.
Fact 2) The EU doesn't stop us from having blue passports. Croatia has them still.
Fact 3) The shape of the passport was altered to make them machine-readable. This was "forced upon" us by the Civil Aviation Organisation, not the EU.

So much for a Brexit win against the shackles of the EU.
 

tapzilla2k

Distinguished Member
Yawn...
Seriously though. Can we try and keep the party political bickering out of this thread?
That's just a sample of the reaction (Ed M is quite tame compared to others) and I'm sure most people will understand that changing the passports to blue won't cost £500 million. That's just the normal cost of updating the security measures used to prevent fraudulent passports.

And even more seriously, didn't passports used to be black? :confused:
Passports serve a precise function, the colour is immaterial to that function. Hence why I couldn't care less if they were pink or orange.

Interesting court case coming up Legal action to see whether UK could unilaterally stop Brexit gets go-
 

IronGiant

Moderator
Fact 1) Blue passports were only brought in the UK around 1921.
Fact 2) The EU doesn't stop us from having blue passports. Croatia has them still.
Fact 3) The shape of the passport was altered to make them machine-readable. This was "forced upon" us by the Civil Aviation Organisation, not the EU.

So much for a Brexit win against the shackles of the EU.
Not sure why you are repeating points made in the referenced article (apart from point 3 which no-one has suggested was down to the EU either)...
 

EarthRod

Distinguished Member
There are only four colours used in passport covers worldwide: black, blue, red or green

The British passport introduced in 1920 was dark blue.
 

IronGiant

Moderator
Thanks Alan. My oldest one must have been a dark blue that I have remembered as black. :thumbsup:
 

EarthRod

Distinguished Member
I see that Scotland is preparing a legal case stating that Article 50 can be reversed without the need for agreement from the other 27 EU members.
 

krish

Distinguished Member
And even more seriously, didn't passports used to be black? :confused:
From high quality scans of my old passports, required by my employer's travel dept ...

my 78-88 passport:

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my 88-98 passport:

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- they both look black to me :)
 
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Cliff

Distinguished Member
It seems the remainers are having a fit over this. I was listening to James O'Brien this morning and he was really into meltdown. Most Brexit supporters see the removal of the EU wording as accurate, and a change of colour something to differentiate from an EU passport (except Croatia ). Maybe we will have a separate UK line for immigration when we come into Heathrow which will be faster. Nothing much else. No free entry to lounges!
Why the fuss by remainers ?
 

rancidpunk

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Didn't take long for the thread to descend into remainers this, remainers that.

In the interests of balance, I listened to the same show. There were angry brexiteers hanging up on him or telling him that it was all about pride, getting our blue passports back, just like Christmas trees apparently. I don't think they were representative of most brexiteers though, just makes good radio.

A Brexiteer Hangs Up On James O'Brien And His Reaction Is Hilarious - LBC

See his meltdown, proper rage on him there :laugh:
 

EarthRod

Distinguished Member
From high quality scans of my old passports, required by my employer's travel dept ...

my 78-88 passport:

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my 88-98 passport:

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- they both look black to me :)
They are dark blue krish, I can see a very slight blue tinge in your 1988-1998 passport along the left hand crease. Have a suspicion the older the passports the darker they become.

We took on the EU standard format passports in 1988, how come you were issued with a blue British passport and not a red one?


Edit: just checked - the EU burgundy passports were issued in the UK in September 1988.
 
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EarthRod

Distinguished Member
It seems the remainers are having a fit over this. I was listening to James O'Brien this morning and he was really into meltdown. Most Brexit supporters see the removal of the EU wording as accurate, and a change of colour something to differentiate from an EU passport (except Croatia ). Maybe we will have a separate UK line for immigration when we come into Heathrow which will be faster. Nothing much else. No free entry to lounges!
Why the fuss by remainers ?
I think they are angry because the writing is on the wall. The re-introduction of blue UK passports is a trigger.

We might (hopefully) be exiting the bureaucratic organisation, and as we creep closer (will we ever get there?) to Brexit the more frustrated the remainers become?
 

Enki

Banned
This Blue one they are reintroducing looks like something an independent Scotland would choose, where is the St George red?
 

mij

Well-known Member
I remember having a Beige British Visitor's Passport the first time I went to Europe in the 60's, it was a 3 sided card.
 

krish

Distinguished Member
We took on the EU standard format passports in 1988, how come you were issued with a blue British passport and not a red one?


Edit: just checked - the EU burgundy passports were issued in the UK in September 1988.
Yeah that was issued 6 months earlier in March .... now about to renew for 2018-28, so it will still be burgundy
 

rancidpunk

In Memoriam
I think they are angry because the writing is on the wall. The re-introduction of blue UK passports is a trigger.
I've not seen anyone angry over it though. Most remainers are completely apathetic about the whole thing. Or taking the mick that this is being hailed as a victory.
 

EarthRod

Distinguished Member
It's not about the colour. It's that the EU got its name on a UK document. It was the first indication of the loss of sovereignty.

The blue passport is taking back control? No, it was first imposed on us from abroad | James E Baldwin
The Guardian article is petulant in tone and the facts have been tailored to meet the anti-Brexit agenda.

The 1920 blue British passport came out of an international agreement on a standard format for passports worldwide. The personal details were written by hand into the proforma passport, the same as in all the passports for other countries who signed the agreement, including the UK - it was an agreed format and not imposed on us as the Guardian article states.

Following the agreement a new government department was formed in 1920 to handle the issue of blue British passports.
 
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EarthRod

Distinguished Member
I've not seen anyone angry over it though. Most remainers are completely apathetic about the whole thing. Or taking the mick that this is being hailed as a victory.
I think you might have misunderstood. The writing on the wall applies to the approaching Brexit and it's threat of change is causing anger. The re-introduction of blue UK passports news is a trigger for the anger and frustration regarding Brexit.

The blue passport itself is not an important issue, but is the trigger which has set some of the ardent remainers off. Not that it takes much to cause the outpourings of grief.
 

rancidpunk

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I think you might have misunderstood. The writing on the wall applies to the approaching Brexit and it's threat of change is causing anger. The re-introduction of blue UK passports news is a trigger for the anger and frustration regarding Brexit.
Not at all, I'm just seeing no evidence of a mass of angry remainers. Even Open Britain and 48 and Beyond haven't bothered posting anything about it, and they're the first to whip up anti-brexit sentiments. It is literally a non event to almost everyone from anything I've seen thus far.
 

Goooner

Distinguished Member
Have a look on Twitter, seems to be nothing but a mass of angry Remainers.
 

rancidpunk

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Have a look on Twitter, seems to be nothing but a mass of angry Remainers.
I don't do twitter, even worse than facebook for the vocal extremes of any discussion.

Looking at the trends for the blue passport though, I'm seeing lots of mickey taking, lots of sarcasm, a fair bit of general anti brexit talk, but almost no anger at the passport changing at all.

#bluepassport - Twitter Search
 

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