Thank you Ed. Do you know if it does Tidal Masters decoding for MQA?
The penny starts to drop. The AKM hardware isn't that expensive- about £30-35 for the bits once import and tax have been paid but that's still about five times the cost of a basic ESS Sabre. The clock is also pricey and none of the board components are low rent either. Software development, I have no idea for this specific product but based on some experience in the field, isn't cheap and neither are those licenses.Genuinely intrigued by the discussion as I've no idea if £900 is taking the pee or amazing value for this. As one (of many) measures, anyone have any idea of the BOM and integration/software dev effort? If, for example, those Japanese doodads are 50 quid a pop just by themselves then that's one thing. If they're 10p and they're the star attraction, that's another. How about the clever timing stuff? Expensive and really hard, or dirt cheap and trivial?
Purely on sound quality would you say it is superior to the Streamer/DAC section of the NAD M10?OK, let's put another way. If someone can build me the same device- same spec, format handling, software, licenses (and yes, I would like that not inconsequentially expensive Roon license retained please) and then build it in the EU using well paid people who know what they're doing- for significantly less, I'll buy one (more specifically I'd have a Bridge because I have some great decoding hardware already but the point stands).
Purely on sound quality does this device better the NAD M10 as a front end Streaming comparison? Or is that a comparison too difficult to do since NAD M10 is obviously an AMPLIFIER aswell as DAC, Streamer.
The penny starts to drop. The AKM hardware isn't that expensive- about £30-35 for the bits once import and tax have been paid but that's still about five times the cost of a basic ESS Sabre. The clock is also pricey and none of the board components are low rent either. Software development, I have no idea for this specific product but based on some experience in the field, isn't cheap and neither are those licenses.
Then to add a significant cost, it isn't made in the Far East. If that doesn't matter to you, that's fair enough but if I had a pound for every time I'd watched someone on this site complain about jobs being lost abroad and then, apparently without a trace of irony, complain how much UK built stuff costs, I could probably buy one of these.
As noted, if you want digital outputs, Lindemann makes the Bridge which has them (and costs less). They’ve taken the (not erroneous in my view), position that people rarely use both.
In no particular order my;Let me ask you something, how many others gadgets and products you use everyday are made in the UK/EU?
Made in the UK, seriously. I didn't know that we could buy such stuff which is still being made in the UK. Thanks for the insight, I shall read upon it when making future purchases.In no particular order my;
Most of my kitchen hardware
75% of my Hi-Fi
And one of my camera lenses were made in the UK/EU. All see use every day or few days. This ignores non technical stuff like clothes etc too.
*EEA but the concept stands.
Or the EU (watch, coffee maker, car, camera lens etc). It's not that I always actively seek out stuff built here... but the best stuff usually is.Made in the UK, seriously. I didn't know that we could buy such stuff which is still being made in the UK. Thanks for the insight, I shall read upon it when making future purchases.
I'm using it in the descriptive term but mine is entirely assembled in the UK.Correction: Hoover is American by the way, isn't it? Unless you are referring to vacuum ;-)
Unfortunately, a measuring suite for video, while not inexpensive, isn't too costly and is reasonably compact. One for audio is not. I'm neither willing nor able to give a room over to it. The other aspect of this is that there are measurements beyond the basic that seem to have a significant effect on listeners in blind (and, yes, double blind) environments. Filter arrangements, clocking and jitter figures are affecting people's responses to product quite a way past the point that some people would have me believe that 'sufficiency' has been achieved.On a different note, I am an audiophile with an engineer's mindset so unless an audio product hits all the basic metrics I consider the presentation to be coloured which about 90% of the audiophiles prefer and I am OK with that. I said the same thing to Phil and Steve. Audio needs the same amount of focus as TVs and needs measurements as well.
Yes I would. The catch is that you can't do what the NAD does for less than the remaining cost of the M10. That's what makes the M10 special; It's hard to choose individual bits that can do as much as it does as well as it does for the same price.Purely on sound quality would you say it is superior to the Streamer/DAC section of the NAD M10?
Might it be worth looking at the Bridge, keeping the Mojo as the decoder for now (and possibly updating it later) and using the Poly when you go out and about? The supporting electronics will be fine with it- sure you can get more out of it later but it's not going to screw everything up just by adding it.Hi Ed - great article which I have been looking forward to ever since you teased about the product on the podcast. I currently have a a mojo/poly looped into a Denon AVR x220W and Monitor Audio Bronze 5.1. I am very happy with the sound particularly when using Roon. However I want something that can flip between Roon and Spotify (where the family has all their playlists) a bit easier - and to reclaim the mojo/poly as a poratable dac/amp combo.
Do you consider the Limtree to be a) better than the mojo/poly and b) would the Denon do it justice?