Which is a little surprising given their active speakers generally (if not exclusively) use XLR inputs.No XLR connections though, which is a bit of a bummer.
Bill
£1650 for a 200W sub?
I think I'll pass.
£1650 for a 200W sub?
I think I'll pass.
From what I've heard the V2 SCM40s are actually an appreciable step up in performance as well as more immediately obviously on the styling front. More significantly though, ALL hifi prices have risen significantly over the last 20 years.Much as I love my ATCs they are horrendously overpriced. The SCM40 when released in the 2000s would set you back just shy of £2k. The same modestly updated v2 speaker now retails at £3,750. Safe to say incomes have not risen ~100% in that same time period!
I can't remember when the subs were first introduced?
This is exactly why I want a pair! Very rare that manufacturers design and make everything in house. Lovely people to deal with if you have questions too.From what I've heard the V2 SCM40s are actually an appreciable step up in performance as well as more immediately obviously on the styling front. More significantly though, ALL hifi prices have risen significantly over the last 20 years.
The active version of the SCM40 speakers is at the top of my shortlist for long term speaker replacements when I get round to it actually, having been very impressed by them at the Bristol show a couple of years ago. One other factor in ATC's favour is that they are an English company who make their speakers in England, including making their own drivers. As such they're a company I'd like to support.
However, having said all this, I do still think the sub this thread is about is a very hard sell and not something I'll be considering myself.
This is exactly why I want a pair! Very rare that manufacturers design and make everything in house. Lovely people to deal with if you have questions too.
I'm confused what the issue is with the latter?All agreed, but they are overpriced and seem to be price fixed (i.e. it is one price across the whole country)
I'm confused what the issue is with the latter?
Apple does it, surely?
I very much doubt they're doing anything illegal. I also don't see why setting the price of their own products should be illegal.It is illegal for a manufacturer to control resale prices (if that is what is happening).
I very much doubt they're doing anything illegal. I also don't see why setting the price of their own products should be illegal.
Between multiple companies, yes, for a single manufacturer as is being discussed here, no. What is the problem? ATC don't have a monopoly, so if customers don't like the price then they can buy a product from a different manufacturer instead. I genuinely have zero concerns about this.You don't see why price fixing should be illegal?
Nope - never heard of it.Do you know anything about the anti-trust movement?
Between multiple companies, yes, for a single manufacturer as is being discussed here, no. What is the problem? ATC don't have a monopoly, so if customers don't like the price then they can buy a product from a different manufacturer instead. I genuinely have zero concerns about this.
That link is just a tad long to read! Any chance you could try to explain what you think the problem is?Mercifully our Parliamentary system has not yet reached a stage where the operation of the law turns on whether anonymous forum members find a criminal enterprise "concerning".
A good judgment explaining the issues is available here.
A free market cannot function if participants can, without sanction, "knowingly substitute practical co-operation between them for the risks of competition".
That link is just a tad long to read! Any chance you could try to explain what you think the problem is?
The sentence you quoted sounds to me like a concern across multiple companies rather than just one. Note this is a vital distinction I made above.
Two separate things. My point was I see no reason that the law should require this, and you responded as if it was blindingly obvious that it should be.It is not what I think the problem is, it is what the law requires.
Which is interesting and obviously news to me. It still doesn't strike me as necessary though.It is unlawful for a manufacturer to attempt to control resale prices by dealers. Any practice or agreement which has this as its object or effect is a criminal offence.
It still doesn't strike me as necessary though.
For me I really don't see this for a single manufacturer where there is loads of competition. For me it would need to be a situation where all (or possibly a majority) of speaker manufacturers decided to artificially inflate prices. If ATC prices are too expensive for what their products deliver then consumers will just buy from somebody else. That all dealers selling ATC products might sell items for the same price doesn't change this.Manufacturers, distributors, and retailers conspiring to fix prices is more commonly known as a cartel...