No. It never is and very rare do manufacturers actually produce figures when all are being driven. Sounds good though on the advertising blurb.180+W per channel.....surely thats not based on all channels being driven.
180+W per channel.....surely thats not based on all channels being driven.
Sometimes you think the hardest task is how to change the 3 to a 4 on the model designation label. My receiver is well over four years old now. I doubt I'll even consider changing, breakdown aside, until HDR10+ pass through becomes available.
But wouldn't they be better not investing the significant amounts of money involved in the launch of a new product? And wouldn't retailers prefer not to have to heavily discount old stock just because the new stock has a new number on it.Could HDR10+ passthrough not be added retrospectively via means of a firmware update in the same way eARC has been?
Although maybe even if they could, why would they as folks wouldn't need to buy a new AVR?
I'm convinced a lot of 'improvements' could be added in this way, but I guess it's shooting yourself in the foot if you have a new product to sell.
But wouldn't they be better not investing the significant amounts of money involved in the launch of a new product? And wouldn't retailers prefer not to have to heavily discount old stock just because the new stock has a new number on it.
A product refresh in this category once every 3 years is surely enough?
I doubt very much that my Denon X6200 will ever get such an update so no point in me changing until it's in place on the newer models. Workaround is to have HDMI straight from the player to the TV and just use the receiver for audio, which is what I've done even though my Pioneer LX500 player is still awaiting the HDR10+ update itself. Promised for the autumn, although it was promised for last spring.Could HDR10+ passthrough not be added retrospectively via means of a firmware update in the same way eARC has been?
Although maybe even if they could, why would they as folks wouldn't need to buy a new AVR?
I'm convinced a lot of 'improvements' could be added in this way, but I guess it's shooting yourself in the foot if you have a new product to sell.
Sometimes you think the hardest task is how to change the 3 to a 4 on the model designation label. My receiver is well over four years old now. I doubt I'll even consider changing, breakdown aside, until HDR10+ pass through becomes available.
I feel sorry for the people working at the AV Amp manufacturers, being tasked with coming up with things to add to new models.
My SR8012 already does things I don't use... as long it does Atmos, passes HDR, and sounds good, what more do we really need?
Pioneer are Class D.
Specifications for the SR5014:
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Marantz UK | SR5014
Specifications for the SR6014:
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Marantz UK | SR6014
As you can see, the rating that results in the 185 watt figure is one in relation to just one channel driven and handling just a 1kHz signal as opposed to full band audio. The associated 1% THD is also just on the edge of being acceptable.
As per Marantz a minimum of 70% of the stereo power will be available with 5 channels driven. So in this case at least 70W and 77W.
AgreeAs per Marantz a minimum of 70% of the stereo power will be available with 5 channels driven. So in this case at least 70W and 77W.
Can't agree.NO, that indicates that the ratings are expected to be at least 70% accurate and not that you'd get 70% of the 2 channel rated output while driving all channels. They guarantee that you'll get at least 70% of what they stated as being the rated output while driving the quoted channels with the quoted impedance at the stateded THD level, not that you'll get 70% of what is rated while driving more channels than specified.
They don't give any rating relative to all channels driven.
70% Power Guarantee
Marantz has the 70% power guarantee, meaning that a minimum of 70% of the stereo power indicated in the specification section will be available when 5 channels are simultaneously used. A lot of misunderstanding about power rating has been created by claiming the highest possible output power as a unique selling point. Measurement often has been done on only 1 speaker drive, with lower impedance than 8 ohms and high THD (total harmonic distortion) acceptance. A standard THD value is 0.08%. The lower the better.
The statement which @pulpfxn linked to in their post (and I quoted from in mine). Can't have been that hard to find....I've found Marantz's actual statement relating to their gurantee:
Marantz UK | Glossary
Same way as it relates to the SR7011 which is a 9 channel AVR and the SR8012 which is an 11 channel AVR. 5 channel simultaneous output is guaranteed to be at least 70% of the specified 2 channel output. If running a 5 channel base layer and up to 4 channel atmos layer the atmos layer most of the time draws little power and isn't in continuous use in the same way as the 5 channel layer is.So how does this relate to the SR5014 which is a 7 channell receiver and the SR6014 that is a 9 channel receiver? They gurantee 70% of the rated 2 channel rating relative to 5 channels driven.
Probably the same reason (marketing) why Anthem, Denon, Onkyo, Pioneer and Yamaha also don't do this for their AVRs. And these don't even have a 70% guarantee...No idea why they themselves don't simply give a straight answer and state what their products output relative to all channels driven?
The statement which @pulpfxn linked to in their post (and I quoted from in mine). Can't have been that hard to find....
Same way as it relates to the SR7011 which is a 9 channel AVR and the SR8012 which is an 11 channel AVR. 5 channel simultaneous output is guaranteed to be at least 70% of the specified 2 channel output. If running a 5 channel base layer and up to 4 channel atmos layer the atmos layer most of the time draws little power and isn't in continuous use in the same way as the 5 channel layer is.
Probably the same reason (marketing) why Anthem, Denon, Onkyo, Pioneer and Yamaha also don't do this for their AVRs. And these don't even have a 70% guarantee...
Only Arcam (specifies 7 channels) and Emotiva (all channels) spring to mind as companies who do specify all channel (or more channel) driven output.
Marantz has the 70% power guarantee, meaning that a minimum of 70% of the stereo power indicated in the specification section will be available when 5 channels are simultaneously used.
And neither do they claim to do so. Try re-reading my previous post as to why this is valid for AVRs where up to 4 channels may be used for atmos. SR5014: 5.1.2, SR6014: 5.1.4.Marantz do not relate the guarantee in relation to more than 5 channels driven. The SR5014 is a 7 channel receiver and the SR6014 is a 9 channel receiver.
I don't even have a maths O level and even I (or rather my calculator) can easily do the specified 2 channel power - 30% = guaranteed 5 channel power calculation. It's hardly rocket science...Why the need for a maths degree and why not simply state the rating relative to all channels driven?
Try looking at the specs you gave in your post #5. Two channel output is specified in addition to one channel output.They even have the audacity to suggest they offer the guarantee in response to other manufacturers using the one channel driven rating in their publicity, yet Marantz and Denon use the one channel rating when they abounce a new model and in their own press releases.
Actually you can. Configure as normal 2/5/7/9/11 channels and only connect one channel speaker. Also via their analogue inputs AVRs can be fed only one channel if so desired. Why anyone would want to do this is a conundrum, but it can be done. Possibly to bench test/measure one channel driven output perhaps...You cannot even configure an AV receiver to output one channel
And this isn't claimed. Why exactly would you want to bridge a 7, 9 or 11 channel AVR into one output...and there's no means by which to bridge all channels into one output.
SR5014 Key Features:
·7.2-channel receiver - with 180 watts per channel
SR6014 Additional Features:
·9.2-channel receiver - with 185 watts per channel; 11.2ch processing; 11.2ch pre-out