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Damn I've missed all the Ole fun! :laugh:

I think he's out in the summer no matter how many of us want him to stay! The Utd gaffer seat has now become a poisoned chalice, so I'd expect any manager coming in to demand a blank cheque to revolutionise the squad. The Glazers better get those piggy banks out.

Will it be Poch though? He could get snapped up by someone else if they're not careful.

Isn't that a massive contridiction?

If Ole should be doing so much better with what he's got, why would another (presumably better) manager need a huge amount of money to improve?

I understand why non-Utd fans are loving this, but at least be consistent in your criticism.
 
@Our Year please refrain from just aimlessly baiting Man United fans and other members. This is absolutely non-negotiable, and no further public warnings will be given.
 
If Ole should be doing so much better with what he's got, why would another (presumably better) manager need a huge amount of money to improve?

Average players can still underperform so I would guess a better manger could at least get the current team performing to its full potential, transfer funds being required for those beyond help
 
United have just massively overpaid on players, Maguire is decent nothing more, and was never worth a world record fee.
He got shown up massively against us, and last night the defending for Burnley's first goal was school boy stuff.
I have seen ships with a quicker turning circle than him.
 
United have just massively overpaid on players, Maguire is decent nothing more, and was never worth a world record fee.
He got shown up massively against us, and last night the defending for Burnley's first goal was school boy stuff.
I have seen ships with a quicker turning circle than him.
The money is irrelevant. You need to get over it.

Utd have overpaid for decades. That's not the problem at Utd at the moment.
 
The money is irrelevant. You need to get over it.
Football is a business to owners of clubs, of course money matters, if you don't get results on the pitch, it more than likely hits your pockets down the line. Why are United reportedly haggling over a few million to sign this Fernandes, they are obviously worried about wasting more.
 
Football is a business to owners of clubs, of course money matters, if you don't get results on the pitch, it more than likely hits your pockets down the line. Why are United reportedly haggling over a few million to sign this Fernandes, they are obviously worried about wasting more.
Utd have walked away from a number of high profile deals recently.

The money is irrelevant to assessing quality I mean.

The players cost what they cost. Some clubs get bargains and some players they have to pay world record fees for.

Imo, as long as they perform I don't care how much they cost. The fact Lingard was free doesn't excuse his Utd performances.
 
Isn't that a massive contridiction?

If Ole should be doing so much better with what he's got, why would another (presumably better) manager need a huge amount of money to improve?

I understand why non-Utd fans are loving this, but at least be consistent in your criticism.

I am. I don't think Ole should be doing better. He's not a top manager. And I don't think your squad except for a few players is up to much at all. The combination of both is why you just lost at home to Burnley.

A new manager would want to bring in quite a number of players, get shut of a fair few, and want the clear backing of the board. Something the world can see Ole isn't getting.
 
Utd have walked away from a number of high profile deals recently.

The money is irrelevant to assessing quality I mean.

The players cost what they cost. Some clubs get bargains and some players they have to pay world record fees for.

Imo, as long as they perform I don't care how much they cost. The fact Lingard was free doesn't excuse his Utd performances.
Totally get that to a fans perspective,
 
I am. I don't think Ole should be doing better. He's not a top manager. And I don't think your squad except for a few players is up to much at all. The combination of both is why you just lost at home to Burnley.

A new manager would want to bring in quite a number of players, get shut of a fair few, and want the clear backing of the board. Something the world can see Ole isn't getting.
And Jose apparently didn't get backed. Or Moyes. Or LVG. Make of that what you will
 
I am. I don't think Ole should be doing better. He's not a top manager. And I don't think your squad except for a few players is up to much at all. The combination of both is why you just lost at home to Burnley.

A new manager would want to bring in quite a number of players, get shut of a fair few, and want the clear backing of the board. Something the world can see Ole isn't getting.
That's still a contradiction though.

This squad has had a 'top manager' prior to Ole taking over and they didn't perform.

Klopp has culled Liverpool over years. He didn't just train what he inherited better. He's bought pretty much an entirely new first team. Had he not done that he'd be struggling to get top 4 with what he had.

I was hopeful that Utd had a longterm plan with Ole in mind. The fact no new money has been spent suggests either the owners are not willing to spend fullstop, or they're saving it for whoever will take over in the spring / summer.
 
Harry Maguire. Couple of decent performances and he was labelled a ‘rock’. He’s nothing of the sort.

Anthony Martial - 40 million, 50 million, whatever it was, 4 years down the line he’s still an unreliable lightweight.

How have Utd got themselves into a position where Daniel James is starting week in week out? Looks like the kind of player they should have bought then immediately loaned back out to Swansea(?).
 
Manchester United ruined my life.

Finally, they are starting to make it a little better.
 
That's still a contradiction though.

This squad has had a 'top manager' prior to Ole taking over and they didn't perform.

Klopp has culled Liverpool over years. He didn't just train what he inherited better. He's bought pretty much an entirely new first team. Had he not done that he'd be struggling to get top 4 with what he had.

I was hopeful that Utd had a longterm plan with Ole in mind. The fact no new money has been spent suggests either the owners are not willing to spend fullstop, or they're saving it for whoever will take over in the spring / summer.
Agree with that Ole knows what's going on, saving face to the media atm, he has probably been told he will be fired in the summer and won't get the backing this month, if Fernandes does come in he has probably been told join and you will have Poch as your manager this summer. That all may be totally wrong though and the board are behind him.
 
Yeah, I think the long and the short of it is that money has been spent poorly. The contract renewals should be highlighted as well because some of those were frankly ridiculous. There really does need to be wholesale change within the club and that doesn't just start with the manager
 
Anyway, can we move on to Moyes at West Ham now? The NMB lasted all of one game.
 
Yeah, I think the long and the short of it is that money has been spent poorly. The contract renewals should be highlighted as well because some of those were frankly ridiculous. There really does need to be wholesale change within the club and that doesn't just start with the manager

Phil Jones is there until 2023.
 
Think this article sums it up neatly. There’s an interesting bit in there about Pochettino:


“The Norwegian is by no means the only man responsible for the mess the club now finds itself in but the manager is clearly out of his depth


Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is not Manchester United’s biggest problem. Much of the blame for the club's ills lies with Ed Woodward.


The executive vice-chairman has overseen an outlay of £1 billion in terms of transfer fees and salaries, but big prizes and even regular Champions League qualification continue to elude him. During his tenure, United have lifted only minor trophies like the Europa League, FA Cup and League Cup.


The lack of a long-term strategy since the retirement of Sir Alex Ferguson in 2013 has cost the club the chance to build a coherent squad capable of challenging for the major honours.


However, while Woodward, the managers he has churned through, and the players he has signed all carry varying degrees of responsibility for United's failures, ultimately, the buck stops with the Glazer ownership.


The Florida family has been asleep at the wheel, failing to match the professionalism of Liverpool, of Manchester City and of similarly resourced clubs across the continent. The rot at Old Trafford is extensive and established.


Nevertheless, Solskjaer is clearly out of his depth. The Norwegian has started to take on the haunted look of David Moyes from his disastrous spell in charge. The decline cannot be arrested through Solskjaer's work alone.


After the defeats to Manchester City and Liverpool, Solskjaer claimed progress by pointing out that the manner of the defeats was somehow an improvement. There might be a grain of truth there but there isn’t the same deflection to fall back on after a loss to a capable but middling Burnley side on Wednesday.


The occasional flop is inevitable with a developing team but, at this point, Solskjaer’s appointment is looking like the flop.


He was awarded the job – initially as a stop-gap and then as a permanent appointment – to cover up the fact that Woodward had – and still has – no credible plan for the future of the football club. Nothing in his managerial career has prepared Solskjaer for this role.


Moreover, it is becoming apparent that his authority has started waning in the dressing room since the initial enthusiasm of his appointment wore off.


There are mutters of discontent and rebellion, with even club captain Ashley Young electing to force through a move to Inter six months before the expiry of his contract.


He is not the only player to express his discontent with life at Old Trafford. The players were starved of capable attacking plans under Mourinho, but Solskjaer is hardly delivering anything more profound.


The signing of Daniel James from Swansea pointed to the No.1 tactic at Old Trafford for the season to come – knocking the ball into the channels for counterattacks.


The squad is patchy and if anyone is to achieve with these players, it has to be done with more sophisticated coaching. But Solskjaer and his coaching team, including Michael Carrick and Mike Phelan, look to be unaware of their own tactical shortcomings and, therefore, are unable to resolve them.


The club has been strong in their message that Solskjaer is safe, regardless of a disappointing end to the season. But the ex-striker would do well to bear in mind that Woodward will not risk his own position as the Glazer’s favourite employee.


Woodward has been spotted in France in the last couple of weeks and there are rumours that Luis Campos will join from Lille as a director of football, which would go some way towards solving a long-standing problem.


The arrival of a competent director of football was said to be one of the demands made by Mauricio Pochettino in an opening discussion via intermediaries, with the Argentine not keen to take the job before summer. If a director of football is appointed, it would mean Woodward stepping back from football affairs.


The arrival of Campos would not be a demand of Solskjaer’s; he simply lacks the authority to make such requests. It looks more likely the club is being primed for another manager, should their hand be forced.


Woodward and the club remain desperate for the team – and for Solskjaer – to succeed, but the end may be coming quicker than it appeared at the start of January.


Someone will soon have to take the blame for the mess and there is little to no chance of either Woodward or the Glazers facing the music”.
 
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